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4. Re: iRig pre

Subject: 4. Re: iRig pre
From: "Max" oatcruncher
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:29 am ((PST))
Hi John,
I did try the Line input but there was very little movement of the level meter 
even on iRig maximum gain. Perhaps I missed something; I'll look again.
Re experimenting with gain, it didn't occur to me. This was probably due to 
being aware that the LS-10 was 'quietest' on max gain, and this in turn another 
reason I used/use the iRig to set levels. Perhaps I should experiment some 
more; the only problem with this is, that I have to do it well after midnight 
to get sufficiently quiet ambient noise outside. I live in a town, close to a 
main trunk road, and have all the problems that our friend David is lucky not 
to have!
I've not been particularly well of late, and have had problems motivating 
myself to do a great deal of experimenting. But, the iRig is only one of the 
possibilities I'm testing to use with my LS-1O. The two others that need 
further investigation are the Avlex stereo mic, and the Nakamichi mics set. 
Hopefully someday soon I'll force myself out into the rain and do some serious 
work on this subject. I've just re-bought another ME66/K6 combo today to 
experiment using them as a stereo pair, something I didn't try when I 
previously had three! I will be using these with my Tascam HD-P2.
Cheers
Max
 


--- In  "John Crockett"  wrote:
>
> Max,
> 
> Why are you not using the line input on the LS-10 since the iRig is already 
> doing the amplification? For line input the sensitivity switch has no effect. 
> Apologies if I am missing something obvious.
> 
> Also, in my limited experience I have found that each device has its own 
> sweet spot where the s/n is maximised. Often full gain, but sometimes 
> somewhere between half and three-quarters (on my MZRH1 Minidisc it was a gain 
> setting of around 18 out of 30). Have you experimented with the iRig to find 
> that sweet spot?
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> John
> 
> --- In  "Max"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Raimund,
> > Once again many thanks for your input here; I'm not sure I fully understand 
> > it, but it would appear (I think) that using it the way I do (LS-10 Low 
> > Sense/max gain 10) and only upping the gain to the minimum necessary on the 
> > iRig, is best possible way to use this? If I've still got this wrong, don't 
> > be afraid to call me names! It's a pity, as you've already stated, that the 
> > iRig can't be used just as a phantom power supply; it's so much lighter and 
> > more convenient than my Art Phantom II.
> > Cheers
> > Max
> > 
> > 
> > --- In  "Raimund"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Many thanks for your clarification. Am I also wrong about noise 
> > > > increasing on the iRig as gain is increased?
> > > 
> > > Hi Max,
> > > 
> > > Yes, that is also wrong: Increasing the gain on a typical preamp usually 
> > > reduces the input-referenced noise floor (in comparison to the microphone 
> > > self noise). 
> > > 
> > > But you are of course correct that increasing the gain will indeed 
> > > increase the output-referenced noise level of the preamplifier. For that 
> > > reason it would be really useful to keep the gain as low as possible in 
> > > order to minimize the subjective noise floor in a recording. That lower 
> > > gain would however also reduce the (dBFS) signal level in the recording, 
> > > which can only be compensated by getting closer to sound source. 
> > > 
> > > In other words, it is possible to make excellent recordings using noisy 
> > > microphones and poor preamplifiers as long as you managed to get close 
> > > enough to the singing bird or whatever you want to record. 
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Raimund
> > >
> >
>








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