Hi Peter,
iPhones/Pads and Androids/Tablets nor any phone that I am aware of have rec=
. levels. Sight and touch are the preferred input. I have far some far out=
pseudo-scientific theories that I just won't go into here, as to why this =
might so.
Cheers,
Mark
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 7, 2012, at 4:25 AM, vickipowys t <> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I don't own an iPhone so can't be sure what it has, but the iRig has
> a manual rotating dial for levels. And, as Marco says, a headphone
> socket.
>
> Vicki
>
> On 07/12/2012, at 7:14 AM, Peter Shute wrote:
>
> > IPhone has no recording level control?
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:
> >> On Behalf Of vickipowys
> >> Sent: Friday, 7 December 2012 6:44 AM
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Re: iRig pre
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter,
> >>
> >> I can't see why you could not plug an ME66 directly into an
> >> IPhone (with a specialized lead), but the advantage of the
> >> IRig is that you can also control the recording levels.
> >>
> >> Vicki
> >>
> >> On 06/12/2012, at 7:35 AM, Peter Shute wrote:
> >>
> >>> Would you be able to plug an ME66/K6 directly into an
> >> iPhone, assuming
> >>> you had the right connector for plugging a mic into a mic/ headset
> >>> socket? Or is that what the iReg pre is acting as in this case?
> >>>
> >>> Peter Shute
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From:
> >>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> >> vickipowys
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 7:08 AM
> >>>> To:
> >>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Re: iRig pre
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan,
> >>>>
> >>>> All the advertising for the iRig Pre indicates that yes indeed you
> >>>> could connect a Sennheiser ME66 to an iPhone. The iRig has
> >> optional
> >>>> power supply, you would switch it off if the mic supplied its own
> >>>> power. Yes you do need the K6 unit with the ME66, I would
> >> recommend
> >>>> the one that uses its own battery power, 1 x AA battery lasts for
> >>>> ages if you remember to switch it off between recording sessions.
> >>>> You can also bypass the AA battery to use 48V phantom power.
> >>>> If you intend to eventually use the ME66 with a smaller flash card
> >>>> recorder then you would definitely need the AA battery-powered K6
> >>>> unit. Rode made handles and softie windshields that are
> >> much cheaper
> >>>> than Rycote or Sennheiser.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope this helps!
> >>>>
> >>>> Vicki
> >>>>
> >>>> On 06/12/2012, at 12:15 AM, symmerista wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The Edutige does in fact do nothing more than amplifying
> >>>> the iphone's
> >>>>> sound. This does increase my students' ability to identify
> >>>> unknowns,
> >>>>> but post-processing, e.g., through Audacity, is probably at
> >>>> least as
> >>>>> helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My apologies for being dense here (ever since I lost
> >> hearing in one
> >>>>> ear I've 'focused' almost entirely on the visual rather
> >>>> than the audio
> >>>>> in the field), but if I splurged on the Sennheiser ME66
> >> (and the K6
> >>>>> too, I presume?), could I use the iRig Pre to connect it to
> >>>> my iPhone?
> >>>>> I realize that might be overkill, but for now that would clean my
> >>>>> budget out, and I could then start saving up for a proper
> >> recorder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In
> >>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , vickipowys
> >>>> <> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alan,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Edutige mic looks intriguing. I had a listen to a sample
> >>>>>> recording but it seems to me that the hiss-noise increases
> >>>> along with
> >>>>>> the stronger signal from the mic, so it is not doing much
> >>>> more than
> >>>>>> amplifying the sound you are already getting from the
> >>>> iPhone. All the
> >>>>>> same, such gadgets can be useful to documenting wildlife
> >> sounds if
> >>>>>> nothing else is available. You would probably find the
> >>>> windshield is
> >>>>>> inadequate, but better than nothing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you want to use a larger better quality mic you have to
> >>>> consider
> >>>>>> handling noise and most likely you would need a handle
> >> and shock-
> >>>>>> mount for it, and a decent wind cover such as one of the 'softie'
> >>>>>> types. By the time you have all of that (e.g. Sennheiser
> >>>> ME66 gun mic
> >>>>>> is a great field mic for species recording), then you
> >>>> might as well
> >>>>>> go with a purpose-built recorder such as Sony or Olympus
> >>>> or whatever
> >>>>>> (lots of references on this list), and you can then set
> >>>> the recording
> >>>>>> sample rate to 96 K which will be useful for insect recordings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Meanwhile, you can probably do quite a lot with the
> >> iPhone and it
> >>>>>> would be no worse than the equipment that many of us
> >>>> started out with
> >>>>>> e.g. hissy cassette recorders and tie-pin microphones.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> good luck!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Vicki
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 26/11/2012, at 9:06 AM, symmerista wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Greetings,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm intrigued by the iRig Pre. For my field biology class
> >>>> I bought a
> >>>>>>> $30 Edutige EIM-001 i-Microphone for my iPhone, and it
> >> definitely
> >>>>>>> made sounds somewhat louder, which helped for our main
> >>>> purposes of
> >>>>>>> recording unknown animals for later identification. The
> >>>> Edutige also
> >>>>>>> worked with most of my students' various Android phones,
> >>>> though it's
> >>>>>>> not marketed as such. Any chance that the iRig likewise has
> >>>>>>> unadvertised Android compatibility?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My main question, however, is what microphone would be a good,
> >>>>>>> inexpensive choice to connect to an iphone/iRig setup. My
> >>>>>>> objectives, for now, are not to produce "publication quality"
> >>>>>>> sounds, but to capture good-quality sounds of birds, singing
> >>>>>>> insects, frogs and toads for documentation and identification
> >>>>>>> purposes. Portability is important, as I also lug around
> >>>> a fair bit
> >>>>>>> of camera equipment. I've looked at the specs of many different
> >>>>>>> mikes, but after a while my head starts spinning as I
> >> don't know
> >>>>>>> nearly enough to decide which pros and cons are most relevant!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
> >>>> <maxcatterwell@>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I did further testing last night, and decided to take another
> >>>>>>>> approach this morning. Instead of starting from low
> >>>> level (2 or 3)
> >>>>>>>> on the LS-10, I set iRig to minimum and maxed Olympus to
> >>>> 10. I then
> >>>>>>>> slowly increased gain while studying the signal level on the
> >>>>>>>> Olympus. I then compared recordings using spectogram view on
> >>>>>>>> Audition. Although not particularly scientific, I'm of
> >>>> the opinion
> >>>>>>>> that this method produces quieter results. I need to
> >>>> re-do the last
> >>>>>>>> test tonight to confirm my opinion. I would really love
> >>>> for one of
> >>>>>>>> our techy sound specialists to get hold of one of these
> >>>> and test.
> >>>>>>>> The weather in the UK at the moment is pretty
> >> horrendous, and it
> >>>>>>>> doesn't look like I'll be getting out to record
> >> wildfowl coming
> >>>>>>>> into roost within the next few days. I can't wait to try
> >>>> this out
> >>>>>>>> in 'the field'.
> >>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
> >>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi to Marco and all,
> >>>>>>>>> The lead arrived today, and I have just tested it and
> >>>> this is what
> >>>>>>>>> I've found. Plug into MIC; Turn LS-10 gain to 2 and
> >> reduce iRig
> >>>>>>>>> gain to minimum. Set sense to Low and turn on to
> >> Record Pause;
> >>>>>>>>> adjust gain on iRig. There will be no response if gain
> >>>> is set to
> >>>>>>>>> zero on LS-10.
> >>>>>>>>> I've done a very quick test with these settings, and
> >> at maximum
> >>>>>>>>> gain on the iRig, and I have to say that I'm extremely
> >>>> surprised
> >>>>>>>>> at the quality. All being well I'll do another test
> >>>> late at night
> >>>>>>>>> with no outdoor traffic, and with all nearby electrical
> >>>> components
> >>>>>>>>> turned off. I will then submit a short sample for one
> >>>> of our 'tech
> >>>>>>>>> boys' to examine, and give us a more critical
> >> opinion. I should
> >>>>>>>>> have said that the mic I used was an AT3032.
> >>>>>>>>> One thing already for the 'tech boys' is, that Audition
> >>>> showed two
> >>>>>>>>> identical waveforms; not one?
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>> p.s. recording at 88.2 - 24bit.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
> >>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Marco,
> >>>>>>>>>> You are of course perfectly correct in saying that
> >>>> headphones can
> >>>>>>>>>> be used via the recording unit! As I understand it, the eBay
> >>>>>>>>>> connector socket is designed to take a TRRS jack as
> >>>> the iPhone/
> >>>>>>>>>> iPod has. The advert has MAC in the title, and also
> >>>> says 'Convert
> >>>>>>>>>> your stereo headphones that also have an integrated
> >>>> microphone'.
> >>>>>>>>>> It will be interesting to find out; I too have
> >> ordered one, on
> >>>>>>>>>> the basis that I'm in no rush, and it's easier!
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , m.pesente@ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Max,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I know, it's a fancy way of what I have done to
> >>>> connect the iRig
> >>>>>>>>>>> Pre to an external recorder, but it's the only way I
> >>>> was able to
> >>>>>>>>>>> ensure that everything is working.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Listening is done by connecting the headphones to the
> >>>> recorder
> >>>>>>>>>>> (using FelMicamp cable for now!), while the
> >> headphone jack of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the IRig Pre must be plugged with a 4 pins Jack,
> >>>> preferably with
> >>>>>>>>>>> the headset for Iphone (do not ask me why, but in my
> >>>> case it is
> >>>>>>>>>>> so!), because there is no signal for headphones
> >> from Irig Pre!
> >>>>>>>>>>> I just bought on Ebay the cable you sent the link:
> >> I hope it
> >>>>>>>>>>> works, even if I have some doubts because the OUT
> >> on iRig Pre
> >>>>>>>>>>> (as previously said)seems to be plugged with a 4 pins jack
> >>>>>>>>>>> instead of 3 pins, but soon we'll know!
> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope I explained the best...
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the Ebay link!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Marco Pesente from Italy
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pesente,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for your input here. I have to confess that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't fully understand your explanation, probably
> >>>> because I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not really awake yet! If I did understand that
> >>>> you're using the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> headphone OUT on the iRig, then I'm confused,
> >>>> because I thought
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd read somewhere that the headphone OUT was not passed
> >>>>>>>>>>>> through from the iRig, but was a return from the
> >>>> iPhone? BUT,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not that well educated in this area, so I
> >>>> probably got it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, one method I was going to try, being quite
> >> lazy, was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330820239423?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1423.l2649
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To make it neater you could cut off the headphone lead and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> insulate. The only problem with this is, if what I
> >> heard is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> correct, then there wouldn't be any signal from the iRig
> >>>>>>>>>>>> headphone output.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you enlighten me on any of this please?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , m.pesente@ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Max,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I connected the iRig Pre to some of my small audio
> >>>> recorders
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (M10, LS5, Roland R05, Zoom H1 etc) feeding a
> >>>> single AT 3032
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph 48v with very good results. I am very pleased
> >> with this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> small microphone preamplifier iRig Pre suggested me
> >>>> by Gianni
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavan. In order to use the iRig Pre on a device
> >>>> other than a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOs system (iPhone, etc.), for which it was
> >> designed, just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> plug in a 3.5mm "four pins" jack (the same of an IPhone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones cable) to the IRig Pre headphones OUT
> >>>> and a pair of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones 3,5 Jack connected to a 10 cm cable
> >> "FEL Socket
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Saver, stereo" sold by FelMicAmp. Only in this way
> >>>> I'm able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain at the same time to record and monitor the
> >> recording
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a device different from IPhone system.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Max, once you have made or found a cable that enables to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> connect the iRig Pre with an audio recorder in an
> >>>> easier way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> than mine, I would be grateful if you would inform us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pesente Marco from Italy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "I apologize for any mistakes due to typing by cell
> >>>> phone and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the help of the online translator!"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike and all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies for not getting back earlier. I have
> >> to say that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm quite impressed with the iRig pre. I tried
> >> it using my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only remaining AT3032 (really wish I hadn't sold my other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> two!) and the quality improvement over the
> >>>> internal mic of my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPod Touch was obvious. Most obvious was loss of low
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency random noise, in addition to the obvious
> >>>> benefit of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gain. My simple tests were using my 66 year old
> >>>> ears, which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't that good, so take this as you will; I'm
> >> sorry it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not more scientific. What I intend to do next is
> >>>> to try the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beast with my LS-10 after buying/making an adapter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As an aside note, I re-tried the the Nakamichi
> >> CM-300 set
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> again yesterday with my LS-10. This time, I used the low
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> setting sense setting and then upped amplitude by 6db in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Audition. The results certainly confirmed what
> >> Umashankar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said; this is a really good quality, quiet and
> >>>> useful set to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> carry (shotgun CP4 with very narrow super cardioid
> >>>> pattern;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> omni and cardioid shorts). Whether or not I'd be
> >>>> prepared to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay the asking price I've seen on eBay USA
> >>>> sometimes, I'm not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure, but if any of you get the chance to pick one up
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheaply, I'd say don't hesitate. The only
> >> downside is that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the batteries are not cheap, but according to
> >>>> Umashankar it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> posssible to convert to phantom power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No problem Mike, glad to be of help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >>>> Michael Dalton <mdaltonarielle@> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howdy Max!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lead. I have filed it as a
> >>>> suggestion for my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why a budget US based supplier such as Nady
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't offer something similar. Maybe they do;
> >>>> I haven't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The LS-10 owner hasn't said=EF=BF=BDwhether any of my
> >>>> suggestions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have helped.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Florida
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ParrotSpeech.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Noise in LS-10
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Max" oatcruncher
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forgot the link:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/
> >> naturerecordists /
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message/ 49179
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com, "Max"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@ ...> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com,
> >>>> Michael Dalton
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mdaltonarielle@ > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other approach would be to use an
> >> external mike and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preamp. Is there a miniature system that is
> >> decent and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive for bypassing the internal mikes?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Florida
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.parrotsp eech.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See my iRig post here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a sound is worth a
> >>>>>>> thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a sound is worth a
> >>>>> thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a sound is worth a
> >>> thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> > Krause.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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