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2. Re: iRig pre

Subject: 2. Re: iRig pre
From: "vickipowys" vpowys
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2012 11:46 am ((PST))
Peter,

I can't see why you could not plug an ME66 directly into an IPhone
(with a specialized lead), but the advantage of the IRig is that you
can also control the recording levels.

Vicki



On 06/12/2012, at 7:35 AM, Peter Shute wrote:

> Would you be able to plug an ME66/K6 directly into an iPhone,
> assuming you had the right connector for plugging a mic into a mic/
> headset socket? Or is that what the iReg pre is acting as in this
> case?
>
> Peter Shute
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 
>>  On Behalf Of vickipowys
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 7:08 AM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Re: iRig pre
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> All the advertising for the iRig Pre indicates that yes
>> indeed you could connect a Sennheiser ME66 to an iPhone. The
>> iRig has optional power supply, you would switch it off if
>> the mic supplied its own power. Yes you do need the K6 unit
>> with the ME66, I would recommend the one that uses its own
>> battery power, 1 x AA battery lasts for ages if you remember
>> to switch it off between recording sessions.
>> You can also bypass the AA battery to use 48V phantom power.
>> If you intend to eventually use the ME66 with a smaller flash
>> card recorder then you would definitely need the AA
>> battery-powered K6 unit. Rode made handles and softie
>> windshields that are much cheaper than Rycote or Sennheiser.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Vicki
>>
>> On 06/12/2012, at 12:15 AM, symmerista wrote:
>>
>>> The Edutige does in fact do nothing more than amplifying
>> the iphone's
>>> sound. This does increase my students' ability to identify
>> unknowns,
>>> but post-processing, e.g., through Audacity, is probably at
>> least as
>>> helpful.
>>>
>>> My apologies for being dense here (ever since I lost hearing in one
>>> ear I've 'focused' almost entirely on the visual rather
>> than the audio
>>> in the field), but if I splurged on the Sennheiser ME66 (and the K6
>>> too, I presume?), could I use the iRig Pre to connect it to
>> my iPhone?
>>> I realize that might be overkill, but for now that would clean my
>>> budget out, and I could then start saving up for a proper recorder.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> --- In 
>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , vickipowys
>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alan,
>>>>
>>>> The Edutige mic looks intriguing. I had a listen to a sample
>>>> recording but it seems to me that the hiss-noise increases
>> along with
>>>> the stronger signal from the mic, so it is not doing much
>> more than
>>>> amplifying the sound you are already getting from the
>> iPhone. All the
>>>> same, such gadgets can be useful to documenting wildlife sounds if
>>>> nothing else is available. You would probably find the
>> windshield is
>>>> inadequate, but better than nothing.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to use a larger better quality mic you have to
>> consider
>>>> handling noise and most likely you would need a handle and shock-
>>>> mount for it, and a decent wind cover such as one of the 'softie'
>>>> types. By the time you have all of that (e.g. Sennheiser
>> ME66 gun mic
>>>> is a great field mic for species recording), then you
>> might as well
>>>> go with a purpose-built recorder such as Sony or Olympus
>> or whatever
>>>> (lots of references on this list), and you can then set
>> the recording
>>>> sample rate to 96 K which will be useful for insect recordings.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, you can probably do quite a lot with the iPhone and it
>>>> would be no worse than the equipment that many of us
>> started out with
>>>> e.g. hissy cassette recorders and tie-pin microphones.
>>>>
>>>> good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Vicki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26/11/2012, at 9:06 AM, symmerista wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm intrigued by the iRig Pre. For my field biology class
>> I bought a
>>>>> $30 Edutige EIM-001 i-Microphone for my iPhone, and it definitely
>>>>> made sounds somewhat louder, which helped for our main
>> purposes of
>>>>> recording unknown animals for later identification. The
>> Edutige also
>>>>> worked with most of my students' various Android phones,
>> though it's
>>>>> not marketed as such. Any chance that the iRig likewise has
>>>>> unadvertised Android compatibility?
>>>>>
>>>>> My main question, however, is what microphone would be a good,
>>>>> inexpensive choice to connect to an iphone/iRig setup. My
>>>>> objectives, for now, are not to produce "publication quality"
>>>>> sounds, but to capture good-quality sounds of birds, singing
>>>>> insects, frogs and toads for documentation and identification
>>>>> purposes. Portability is important, as I also lug around
>> a fair bit
>>>>> of camera equipment. I've looked at the specs of many different
>>>>> mikes, but after a while my head starts spinning as I don't know
>>>>> nearly enough to decide which pros and cons are most relevant!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In 
>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
>> <maxcatterwell@>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did further testing last night, and decided to take another
>>>>>> approach this morning. Instead of starting from low
>> level (2 or 3)
>>>>>> on the LS-10, I set iRig to minimum and maxed Olympus to
>> 10. I then
>>>>>> slowly increased gain while studying the signal level on the
>>>>>> Olympus. I then compared recordings using spectogram view on
>>>>>> Audition. Although not particularly scientific, I'm of
>> the opinion
>>>>>> that this method produces quieter results. I need to
>> re-do the last
>>>>>> test tonight to confirm my opinion. I would really love
>> for one of
>>>>>> our techy sound specialists to get hold of one of these
>> and test.
>>>>>> The weather in the UK at the moment is pretty horrendous, and it
>>>>>> doesn't look like I'll be getting out to record wildfowl coming
>>>>>> into roost within the next few days. I can't wait to try
>> this out
>>>>>> in 'the field'.
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In 
>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi to Marco and all,
>>>>>>> The lead arrived today, and I have just tested it and
>> this is what
>>>>>>> I've found. Plug into MIC; Turn LS-10 gain to 2 and reduce iRig
>>>>>>> gain to minimum. Set sense to Low and turn on to Record Pause;
>>>>>>> adjust gain on iRig. There will be no response if gain
>> is set to
>>>>>>> zero on LS-10.
>>>>>>> I've done a very quick test with these settings, and at maximum
>>>>>>> gain on the iRig, and I have to say that I'm extremely
>> surprised
>>>>>>> at the quality. All being well I'll do another test
>> late at night
>>>>>>> with no outdoor traffic, and with all nearby electrical
>> components
>>>>>>> turned off. I will then submit a short sample for one
>> of our 'tech
>>>>>>> boys' to examine, and give us a more critical opinion. I should
>>>>>>> have said that the mic I used was an AT3032.
>>>>>>> One thing already for the 'tech boys' is, that Audition
>> showed two
>>>>>>> identical waveforms; not one?
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>> p.s. recording at 88.2 - 24bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In 
>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Marco,
>>>>>>>> You are of course perfectly correct in saying that
>> headphones can
>>>>>>>> be used via the recording unit! As I understand it, the eBay
>>>>>>>> connector socket is designed to take a TRRS jack as
>> the iPhone/
>>>>>>>> iPod has. The advert has MAC in the title, and also
>> says 'Convert
>>>>>>>> your stereo headphones that also have an integrated
>> microphone'.
>>>>>>>> It will be interesting to find out; I too have ordered one, on
>>>>>>>> the basis that I'm in no rush, and it's easier!
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- In 
>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , m.pesente@ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Max,
>>>>>>>>> I know, it's a fancy way of what I have done to
>> connect the iRig
>>>>>>>>> Pre to an external recorder, but it's the only way I
>> was able to
>>>>>>>>> ensure that everything is working.
>>>>>>>>> Listening is done by connecting the headphones to the
>> recorder
>>>>>>>>> (using FelMicamp cable for now!), while the headphone jack of
>>>>>>>>> the IRig Pre must be plugged with a 4 pins Jack,
>> preferably with
>>>>>>>>> the headset for Iphone (do not ask me why, but in my
>> case it is
>>>>>>>>> so!), because there is no signal for headphones from Irig Pre!
>>>>>>>>> I just bought on Ebay the cable you sent the link: I hope it
>>>>>>>>> works, even if I have some doubts because the OUT on iRig Pre
>>>>>>>>> (as previously said)seems to be plugged with a 4 pins jack
>>>>>>>>> instead of 3 pins, but soon we'll know!
>>>>>>>>> I hope I explained the best...
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the Ebay link!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marco Pesente from Italy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- In 
>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pesente,
>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for your input here. I have to confess that I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't fully understand your explanation, probably
>> because I'm
>>>>>>>>>> not really awake yet! If I did understand that
>> you're using the
>>>>>>>>>> headphone OUT on the iRig, then I'm confused,
>> because I thought
>>>>>>>>>> I'd read somewhere that the headphone OUT was not passed
>>>>>>>>>> through from the iRig, but was a return from the
>> iPhone? BUT,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not that well educated in this area, so I
>> probably got it
>>>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, one method I was going to try, being quite lazy, was
>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330820239423?
>>>>>>>>>> ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1423.l2649
>>>>>>>>>> To make it neater you could cut off the headphone lead and
>>>>>>>>>> insulate. The only problem with this is, if what I heard is
>>>>>>>>>> correct, then there wouldn't be any signal from the iRig
>>>>>>>>>> headphone output.
>>>>>>>>>> Can you enlighten me on any of this please?
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- In 
>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , m.pesente@ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>>>>> I connected the iRig Pre to some of my small audio
>> recorders
>>>>>>>>>>> (M10, LS5, Roland R05, Zoom H1 etc) feeding a
>> single AT 3032
>>>>>>>>>>> Ph 48v with very good results. I am very pleased with this
>>>>>>>>>>> small microphone preamplifier iRig Pre suggested me
>> by Gianni
>>>>>>>>>>> Pavan. In order to use the iRig Pre on a device
>> other than a
>>>>>>>>>>> IOs system (iPhone, etc.), for which it was designed, just
>>>>>>>>>>> plug in a 3.5mm "four pins" jack (the same of an IPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> headphones cable) to the IRig Pre headphones OUT
>> and a pair of
>>>>>>>>>>> headphones 3,5 Jack connected to a 10 cm cable "FEL Socket
>>>>>>>>>>> Saver, stereo" sold by FelMicAmp. Only in this way
>> I'm able to
>>>>>>>>>>> obtain at the same time to record and monitor the recording
>>>>>>>>>>> with a device different from IPhone system.
>>>>>>>>>>> Max, once you have made or found a cable that enables to
>>>>>>>>>>> connect the iRig Pre with an audio recorder in an
>> easier way
>>>>>>>>>>> than mine, I would be grateful if you would inform us.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pesente Marco from Italy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "I apologize for any mistakes due to typing by cell
>> phone and
>>>>>>>>>>> the help of the online translator!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --- In 
>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
>>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike and all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies for not getting back earlier. I have to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm quite impressed with the iRig pre. I tried it using my
>>>>>>>>>>>> only remaining AT3032 (really wish I hadn't sold my other
>>>>>>>>>>>> two!) and the quality improvement over the
>> internal mic of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> iPod Touch was obvious. Most obvious was loss of low
>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency random noise, in addition to the obvious
>> benefit of
>>>>>>>>>>>> gain. My simple tests were using my 66 year old
>> ears, which
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't that good, so take this as you will; I'm sorry it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not more scientific. What I intend to do next is
>> to try the
>>>>>>>>>>>> beast with my LS-10 after buying/making an adapter.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As an aside note, I re-tried the the Nakamichi CM-300 set
>>>>>>>>>>>> again yesterday with my LS-10. This time, I used the low
>>>>>>>>>>>> setting sense setting and then upped amplitude by 6db in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Audition. The results certainly confirmed what Umashankar
>>>>>>>>>>>> said; this is a really good quality, quiet and
>> useful set to
>>>>>>>>>>>> carry (shotgun CP4 with very narrow super cardioid
>> pattern;
>>>>>>>>>>>> omni and cardioid shorts). Whether or not I'd be
>> prepared to
>>>>>>>>>>>> pay the asking price I've seen on eBay USA
>> sometimes, I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure, but if any of you get the chance to pick one up
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheaply, I'd say don't hesitate. The only downside is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the batteries are not cheap, but according to
>> Umashankar it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> posssible to convert to phantom power.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In 
>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> , "Max"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No problem Mike, glad to be of help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> ,
>> Michael Dalton <mdaltonarielle@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howdy Max!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lead. I have filed it as a
>> suggestion for my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why a budget US based supplier such as Nady
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't offer something similar. Maybe they do;
>> I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The LS-10 owner hasn't said=EF=BF=BDwhether any of my
>> suggestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have helped.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Florida
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.ParrotSpeech.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Noise in LS-10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Max" oatcruncher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forgot the link:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ naturerecordists /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message/ 49179
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com, "Max"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maxcatterwell@ ...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- In naturerecordists@ yahoogroups. com,
>> Michael Dalton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mdaltonarielle@ > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other approach would be to use an external mike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preamp. Is there a miniature system that is decent and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive for bypassing the internal mikes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Florida
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.parrotsp eech.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See my iRig post here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a sound is worth a
>>>>> thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a sound is worth a
>>> thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krause.
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
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> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> Krause.
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