John, yes, the LF stuff gets kind of messed up in the middle when you
use loudspeakers.
This solves that particular problem though:
http://www.audiosignal.co.uk/Resources/Stereo_shuffling_A4.pdf
Klas.
At 01:38 2012-07-19, you wrote:
>Hi Vicky,
>That processing procedure was quick and gross, and later think I
>improved it with a bit more playing around.
>
>The problem I have with most arrays is the LF stuff gets piled in
>the center, attenuating that a bit might make sound more natural,
>however this time I think I just I over did it.
>
>But you are right, an external array is the best solution for
>improving the stereo image. I don't like head worn arrays because I
>can't look around while recording, and the sound of my own breath is
>so often noticeable.
>
>John Hartog
>rockscallop.org
>
>
>--- In vickipowys <> wrote=
:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I have to agree with Greg, your MS processing did not work for me
> > either, when listening through headphones.
> >
> > In the first clip the environmental noise is evenly spaced around me
> > and I can travel outwards, but in the processed clip I feel like I am
> > in a pressure cooker and can't escape.
> >
> > Not a very technical explanation I know :-)
> >
> > To save on all this post-production, the best quick solution for good
> > stereo from a pocket recorder is to use external head-worn electrets
> > (e.g. EM172s), quick to put on if they are mounted on a lightweight
> > headband from an old set of headphones.
> >
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18/07/2012, at 2:30 PM, Gregory O'Drobinak wrote:
> >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > Interesting. But when listening to this with cans on, the second
> > > part sounded
> > > like it was pulling down hard on my ears!
> > > It was a very strange sensation, with a very curious spectral
> > > shift. Not at all
> > > pleasant.
> > >
> > > I've been thinking about some ways to 'spread out' a narrower
> > > stereo image, but
> > > it may be very tricky with M-S processing. Perhaps having a wider
> > > sound stage
> > > like the SASS-type rigs is not at all possible with closely-spaced
> > > capsules, no
> > > matter what the method. Seems like you can't put in the proper
> > > inter-aural
> > > delays that one would have with a natural spacing of the mic
> > > elements ex post
> > > facto, but I could be wrong. I'd like to see if anyone can really
> > > pull this off
> > > effectively.
> > >
> > > What exactly was your process?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > - Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: rock_scallop <>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tue, July 17, 2012 10:39:01 PM
> > > Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Olympus LS5, LS7 and Sony M10
> > > internal mics
> > > comparison.
> > >
> > >
> > > For the sake of understanding values or risks of Mid-Side processing.
> > > Here is a URL to a bit of my urban backyard test with the pcm-m10.
> > > The first part has no added EQ, the second part has Mid-Side
> > > processing to
> > > correct the stereo image.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://soundcloud.com/john-hartog/jh-test20127017-pcmm10-ms/s-TnZrf
> > >
> > > Any comments are welcome.
> > >
> > > John Hartog
> > > rockscallop.org
> > >
> > > --- In "rock_scallop"
> > > <john_hartog@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Robin,
> > >> It is always nice when post-processing is not needed, but show me
> > >> an external
> > >> array for nature recording that will not benefit from some post EQ
> > >> most of the
> > >> time.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Of course one must be careful not to over do it.
> > >>
> > >> What do you mean by "skew your phase and introduce other
> > >> distortions." If it
> > >> sounds good, is it not good?
> > >>
> > >> John Hartog
> > >> rockscallop.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In "robin_parmar_sound"
> > >> <robin@> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> John wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On the other hand, the advantage of the lower noise mics in the
> > >>>> M10 is the
> > >> potential for an extended acoustic horizon in quieter settings,
> > >> and for those
> > >> capable of making MS adjustments in post that might make a
> > >> difference.
> > >>>
> > >>> Of course the best thing to do is use external mics when low
> > >>> noise is of
> > >> paramount importance. Then you can control the recording topology
> > >> exactly,
> > >> without resorting to post-processing that will skew your phase and
> > >> introduce
> > >> other distortions.
> > >>>
> > >>> -- Robin Parmar
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
>
>
>
>
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