Hi John,
I agree that headworn mics mean you can't turn your head while
recording, but the operative word here is QUICK, and it does give a
pocketable solution for those just-in-case scenarios. I find
breathing through my mouth is quieter than nose breathing. And if
you have a little time to spare you can always rig up the mics on
something other than your head.
Of course it is better to have a rig tripod-mounted and then stand
well back but you can't carry a tripod in your pocket :-)
cheers,
Vicki
On 19/07/2012, at 9:38 AM, rock_scallop wrote:
> Hi Vicky,
> That processing procedure was quick and gross, and later think I
> improved it with a bit more playing around.
>
> The problem I have with most arrays is the LF stuff gets piled in
> the center, attenuating that a bit might make sound more natural,
> however this time I think I just I over did it.
>
> But you are right, an external array is the best solution for
> improving the stereo image. I don't like head worn arrays because
> I can't look around while recording, and the sound of my own breath
> is so often noticeable.
>
> John Hartog
> rockscallop.org
>
>
> --- In vickipowys
> <> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I have to agree with Greg, your MS processing did not work for me
>> either, when listening through headphones.
>>
>> In the first clip the environmental noise is evenly spaced around me
>> and I can travel outwards, but in the processed clip I feel like I am
>> in a pressure cooker and can't escape.
>>
>> Not a very technical explanation I know :-)
>>
>> To save on all this post-production, the best quick solution for good
>> stereo from a pocket recorder is to use external head-worn electrets
>> (e.g. EM172s), quick to put on if they are mounted on a lightweight
>> headband from an old set of headphones.
>>
>>
>> Vicki
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18/07/2012, at 2:30 PM, Gregory O'Drobinak wrote:
>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> Interesting. But when listening to this with cans on, the second
>>> part sounded
>>> like it was pulling down hard on my ears!
>>> It was a very strange sensation, with a very curious spectral
>>> shift. Not at all
>>> pleasant.
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about some ways to 'spread out' a narrower
>>> stereo image, but
>>> it may be very tricky with M-S processing. Perhaps having a wider
>>> sound stage
>>> like the SASS-type rigs is not at all possible with closely-spaced
>>> capsules, no
>>> matter what the method. Seems like you can't put in the proper
>>> inter-aural
>>> delays that one would have with a natural spacing of the mic
>>> elements ex post
>>> facto, but I could be wrong. I'd like to see if anyone can really
>>> pull this off
>>> effectively.
>>>
>>> What exactly was your process?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> - Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: rock_scallop <>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tue, July 17, 2012 10:39:01 PM
>>> Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Olympus LS5, LS7 and Sony M10
>>> internal mics
>>> comparison.
>>>
>>>
>>> For the sake of understanding values or risks of Mid-Side
>>> processing.
>>> Here is a URL to a bit of my urban backyard test with the pcm-m10.
>>> The first part has no added EQ, the second part has Mid-Side
>>> processing to
>>> correct the stereo image.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://soundcloud.com/john-hartog/jh-test20127017-pcmm10-ms/s-TnZrf
>>>
>>> Any comments are welcome.
>>>
>>> John Hartog
>>> rockscallop.org
>>>
>>> --- In "rock_scallop"
>>> <john_hartog@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Robin,
>>>> It is always nice when post-processing is not needed, but show me
>>>> an external
>>>> array for nature recording that will not benefit from some post EQ
>>>> most of the
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course one must be careful not to over do it.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "skew your phase and introduce other
>>>> distortions." If it
>>>> sounds good, is it not good?
>>>>
>>>> John Hartog
>>>> rockscallop.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In "robin_parmar_sound"
>>>> <robin@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, the advantage of the lower noise mics in the
>>>>>> M10 is the
>>>> potential for an extended acoustic horizon in quieter settings,
>>>> and for those
>>>> capable of making MS adjustments in post that might make a
>>>> difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the best thing to do is use external mics when low
>>>>> noise is of
>>>> paramount importance. Then you can control the recording topology
>>>> exactly,
>>>> without resorting to post-processing that will skew your phase and
>>>> introduce
>>>> other distortions.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Robin Parmar
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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