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Re: Bird-voiced Treefrogs with Cattle

Subject: Re: Bird-voiced Treefrogs with Cattle
From: "lecarmo" lecarmo
Date: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:26 am ((PST))

--- In  "corticalsongs" <=
> wrote:
>
>
> --- In  Rick Munday <rick@> wrote:
> >
> > Very Nice!
> >
> > What did you record with?
> >
> > Did you add anything in post? I can't believe the depth!!!
>
> I'm so glad you can hear the depth. After listening to this recording as =
I mixed it down, I think my perception has flattened the recording. Almost =
like my familiarity with it has broken the illusion.
>
> I used 2 x AT4022 in a parallel boundary array with a foam nose. The foam=
 was added to some of the original array design to mimic the SASS. Some lim=
ited testing showed that it helped with localization, so I stuck with it. T=
he mics were set back from the edge of the boundary about 1/2 inch and the =
boundary was tapered to meet the foam. Recorder was a Tascam DR-680 set on =
high. Additionally I used fleece as a windscreen and an umbrella covered th=
e rig in case it rained. Niether addition had a dramatic effect on the acou=
stics as far as I can tell.
>
> I did not add anything to the recording in post, only did some necessary =
EQ to tamp down some the insects as well as some notches to bring down the =
most piercing trills from the frogs. Doing this really allowed the other fr=
equencies to shine through which probably brought out some space. I have fo=
und EQ to be essential.
>

Your recording made me inclined to believe that a boundary array using omni=
s can add a lot to the sensation of depth. I hear the cow calls far behind =
the speakers, all the way past the house area itself. It's outstanding!

I'm planning to build an array with 5 mics, because many of my jobs are mea=
nt to be played in 5.1 halls, and the mixing guys do bother with the `missi=
ng' center channel. They are not wrong at that as one can feel the absence =
of sound coming from the center speaker in theaters in which LR speakers ar=
e at least 60 feet apart, even if it's `ambience' sound. I don't know yet h=
ow exactly I'm going to manage to make a barrier between the center mic and=
 the sides, and I know that some testing will be needed, accepting the fact=
 that my LR image won't be as good as if I didn't need to add something bet=
ween the side mics.

As I never commented the great recordings that have been shared here =96 I =
have to say that I rarely have had the opportunity to listen to them lately=
, because I'm on a working `binge' for the last couple of months =96 I'd li=
ke to do it now, congratulating the world around sounds by Martyn Stewart =
=96 the wind recordings are very nice too =96, John Hartog's Robin Crescend=
o, Paul Jacobson's fantastic lyrebird and rufous whistler songs, David Brin=
icombes' rain through his Brinihorn, Hannu J=E4nnes' Finland soundscapes, R=
ick Munday and Danny Meltzer water sounds et al.

Thanks for the sounds and knowledge shared here.

Best,
Luiz








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