You sell FX to libraries? Nice line of work. I'm eventually angling in that=
direction tho more generically. I've run a couple of commercial studios an=
d it was too many hours to do it well. Nice to help musicians and others g=
et their work down but a lot of non-billable work. So I do very little of t=
hat and just by referral. I don't feel that I can give it appropriate care =
otherwise. The bit of ambient sound for video that I've been picking up la=
tely has been a lot of fun.
Theoretically, everyone on this list could sell their work to one specialty=
library or another given the requisite quality. You've probably got a lot =
of tips in your experience minus the trade secrets of course :)
--- On Sun, 11/29/09, John Lundsten <> wrote:
> From: John Lundsten <>
> Subject: Re: Fw: [Nature Recordists] diy mic outdoor enclosure
> To:
> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 6:59 PM
> Randy Perretta wrote
> Good point about Logic. I use it for efficient workflow
> with Final Cut and
> Shake. I don't take on a lot of clients (very few - I have
> a life)
> JL} well that's good, maybe I'm a bit sad in that respect,
> a bit too focused
> on getting what i think are great sounding FX to various
> Libraries that sell
> my stuff. Plus keeping my Video/Film clients happy with my
> sound designs.
> Hey my bad. [btw no sarcasm]
>
> but the steady ones are video post.=A0 I'm trying to
> build up a library of
> found audio stock for them and my own composing work. Never
> settled on a
> samplitude style app. Tried Peak for a while.=A0
> Workflow issues from passing
> files around rather than direct import and sync my be
> offset some by
> recording focused apps.
> JL} It sounds like you want to use/ are comfotable with Mac
> apps, as it
> happens, I am slightly more happy with PC apps, no big deal
> ,both are
> fine/rubbish IMO. But it does mean i have FAR more choice
> as a PC user.
>
> IMO on the Mac, Reaper is the best for what i think are
> your needs.
> http://www.cockos.com/reaper/download.php
> Peak is pretty basic/limited, PT is Very powerful but
> expensive & ultimately
> a sound mangling monster, Logic, DP are fine for music- but
> not what you
> need, I reckon. P-tools can do everything, but rather
> badly, slowly and with
> errors.
>
> I think that as more of the processing quality is plugin
> related, the lines
> may blur.
> JL} yes agreed, most apps, even PT don't f**-up the sound
> very much. IE
> hardly worth bothering about, too much
>
> Sonoris Dither or any of a variety of good plugins can make
> quite a
> difference regardless of hosts but it's a real caveat
> emptor - bad plugins
> make bad recording.=A0 I'm going to try Izotope Rx just
> to see how it handles
> undamaged material - the same algorithms should be pretty
> effective.
> JL} IMO, Izotope Rx is for sure good, but probably a bit
> less good than is
> built into Audition.
>
> I think the real deal is a good pre.=A0 The Otaris I'm
> using are NE5534 based,
> state of the art when the consoles they went in came out -
> about 18 years
> ago :)=A0=A0=A0Next generation (90's) from the
> 5532 which saw service in a lot of
> consoles and pres in the 80's.=A0 i have the 5534 data
> sheet and could
> calculate Ein and CMRR off of the schematic and that but
> I'll just wait and
> upgrade to Millennia Media in the spring.=A0 That'll
> make a difference for
> sure.=A0 Noise certainly isn't audible without looking
> so at least they're
> working for now from a subjective sense.
> Randy
>
> Well the NE5534 op-amps are petty fine in a way ( if memory
> serves about
> 5nv/root Hz, noise, which means it makes a great Summing
> amp, but as a mic
> amp, no-way -sorry.
> A resonable transformer front end, {quite possibly followed
> by a NE5524}, or
> a few matched pair transistors, or a more modern mic-amp IC
> (as is in the
> Millennia Media & other good stuff) will get
> 1nv/root=A0 Hz or even less.
>
> I=A0 fear you are getting what may be considered great
> perfomance for close
> miced music recording but no way "state of the art" low
> noise gain, as is
> needed for Nature recording.
> John L
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, John Lundsten <>
> wrote:
>
> > From: John Lundsten <>
> > Subject: Re: Fw: [Nature Recordists] diy mic outdoor
> enclosure
> > To:
> > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 1:18 PM
> > Randy Perretta wrote
> >
> > Thanks to all for the good advice and the points that
> made
> > me think.
> >
> > JL} Yes for sure "Nature recording" has "special"
> > requirements far removed
> > from the design criteria for good music studio stuff.
> >
> > Good point about 24 bit. Bit resolution is much better
> at
> > low levels.
> >
> > To answer your questions...
> >
> > For pres, I use Otari mic/line pres pulled from spare
> > boards for my console.
> > Either Lynx PCI or Lexicon Lambda interfaces depending
> on
> > how much I want to
> > lug around that day. A Neumann summer on the back
> end.
> >
> > JL} I'm not familiar with the Otari mic/line pres, can
> you
> > tell us what EIN
> > (noise figures) they have & the CMRR (common mode
> > rejection Ratio) at
> > various frequencies, or how "well balanced" they are?
> >
> > IMO this stuff is critical to get the best out of fine
> but
> > rather low output
> > Ribbon mics.
> > Must say i am very enamoured of what ribbons can do,
> and
> > the idea that if
> > only one could give them a hi gain / low noise Mic
> pre,
> > (etc) they may well
> > give the best sound in many applications.
> >
> > <snip> I do post at the studio in Logic.
> > JL} seems an odd choice to me, IMO it's great at MIDI
> &
> > Music scores, (which
> > I don't understand at all well, to may regret) but as
> to
> > it's Audio
> > capabilities, well, not good, err quite bad IMO, but
> hey if
> > it works for
> > you, YMMV.
> >
> > Makes me wonder, how the rest of the folk here pull
> that
> > one signal of
> > interest out of the mud...
> > Randy
> >
> > JL} Adobe Audition vers3, IMO forget Sequencers, fine
> as
> > they maybe, that
> > have "Audio bolted-on", for a full-on, micro
> precision
> > treatment of audio AA
> > is the best, and Samplitude is pretty good at this
> stuff
> > too.
> > John L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Rob Danielson <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Rob Danielson <>
> > > Subject: Re: Fw: [Nature Recordists] diy mic
> outdoor
> > enclosure
> > > To:
> > > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 7:38 AM
> > >
> > > At 11:57 PM +0000 11/28/09, John Lundsten wrote:
> > > >>"Rob Danielson" wrote
> > > >
> > > >>>RODE D-PowerPlug seems like a good
> option
> > ....
> > > >>>As a phantom-powered, 20dB gain
> > preamp,the
> > > D-PowerPlug isn't
> > > >>>overly quiet (-116 dBu A weighted),
> but
> > > perhapsquiet enough for
> > > >>>your ribbon mics.
> > > >
> > > >>This maybe a good option but I have my
> doubts.
> > I
> > > would be
> > > >>interested in a comparison between a
> 24bit
> > > recording of the ribbon
> > > >>mics one with the Rode D & the other
> > without
> > > but raised 20dB in
> > > >>post. My suspicion is that so long as
> there is
> > good
> > > low level info
> > > >>as you get with 24bit, just raising the
> may be
> > very
> > > low lever
> > > >>recording may well give lower noise
> &
> > otherwise
> > > give as
> > > >>good if not better results.
> > > >>The thing is ribbon mics don't really
> have a
> > noise
> > > figure, the
> > > >>noise you endup with will be down to the
> > basic
> > > thermal noise of the
> > > >>source Z and how "well balanced" the
> system
> > is. IE
> > > there will be
> > > >>signals at the micro-volt level you wish
> to
> > drag up
> > > in level, so
> > > >>RF, hum etc picked up on the cable needs
> to
> > be
> > > exceptionally low,
> > > >>compared to a more robust signal level.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>John Lundsten
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi John-
> > > I think you're right. Adding lower quality pres
> > up-stream
> > > from his
> > > recorder would likely introduce more noise than
> > > necessary. What
> > > external mic pre or recorder are you using
> Randy?
> > >
> > > With mic sensitivity of only -56 dB +/- 2 dB (0
> > dB=3D1V/Pa)
> > > ~1.6mV/Pa?
> > > and recording ambience in quiet natural
> locations,
> > don't
> > > you think
> > > most of the noise will stem from the mic pre?
> This
> > seemed
> > > to be the
> > > case in a couple of experiments Curt and Mike
> shared
> > with
> > > me, but I
> > > had no way to know for sure.
> > >
> > > Are you getting sufficient monitoring levels in
> the
> > field,
> > > Randy? If
> > > not, it might be better to add some amplification
> to
> > the
> > > headphone
> > > output. If you don't have a great quality pre to
> > continue
> > > your
> > > experiment with, maybe you could borrow one and
> crank
> > the
> > > line-input
> > > gain on the recorder too for more sound file
> > saturation to
> > > see if
> > > this helps. Rob D.
> > >
> > > =3D =3D =3D
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray
> Schafer
> > via
> > > Bernie Krause
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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