Hi Klas and all,
I would say that the Telinga stereo image, when used open, is
somewhat vague in directional information, compared to the SASS (I
have the advantage of hearing the entire sound clips).
Interesting about the Telinga boost 4-8 kHz, do you mean this applies
when using a parabola, or open? The SASS is also supposed to give a
boost to mid frequencies e.g. birdsong, due to boundary effect.
Re self noise, I don't think I AM hearing Telinga self noise.
Someone contacted me off-group to query my setting of low sensitivity
10 (rather than say, high sensitivity 3). There has been a previous
discussion on naturerecordists re this. Using add on mics, including
the Telinga and a Sennheiser ME66, I find that there is more fizz
when using high sensitivity. Note that this applies to add on mics
and not just the LS-10 inbuilt mics.
I did a test this morning, using a metronome on front verandah rail
(quiet, rural background), standing back 5 metres, with settings on
LS 10 at high sens. 2.5 versus low sens. 10. At these settings the
ticking levels of the metronome matched exactly. With both the
Telinga mic (used open) and the ME66, there was more fizz with the
high sensitivity setting, and when I later boosted the low sens
recordings by 6 dB, the fizz level still did not equal the high sens.
fizz. Of note is that the ME66 was only slightly more sensitive than
the Telinga mic (making the Telinga a very sensitive mic), and the
Telinga has the advantage too of giving a stereo picture.
Vicki
On 12/08/2009, at 7:38 PM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
> Hi Vicky!
>
> Thanks, I am surprised that you get that "airy" stereo with the
> Telinga LS-10! I mean, it is made to be used in a parabola, picking
> up a center (focus) just as you point out. I made the first versions
> of them when the birding season in Sweden was almost over with, and I
> couldn't make any soundscape recordings with it. So thanks again.
>
> In fact, listening to the two recordings with head-phones, I find the
> stereo image from the Telinga more "spacy" (in general) than the SASS.
> "True" or not I cannot say, as I don't know what it was like in real
> life, but in theory the Telinga should have some extra db boost of
> frequencies between 4 and 8 kHz, compared to the MKH.
>
> That MKH20 has a lower self noise is obvious and well known.
> If you prefer the "muffled" sound that you get with SASS, you can
> equalize the sound from the Telinga a bit and loose some of the
> self-noise in the process.
>
> It is the Telinga self noise you hear, not the preamp noise of the
> LS-10.
>
> Klas.
>
>
> At 04:31 2009-08-11, you wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Here is another comparison between Olympus LS-10 and Telinga stereo
>> mic used open, against SD-702 with SASS and mkh 20s. The subject is
>> ambience, nothing really close to the mics, with Noisy Miners and Red
>> Wattlebirds in the distance. The rigs were set up side by side.
>>
>> This sound file can be found on the naturerecordists Files page,
>> under R for RWB (Red Wattlebird).
>>
>> The sound file is of two parts:
>>
>> a. LS-10 with Telinga (no low cut, using low sensitivity volume 10)
>> b. SD-702 with SASS
>>
>> Conclusion. The Telinga and LS-10 did very well noise-wise, and on
>> the original 10 minute recording some very distant callers picked up
>> on the Telinga, as well as the SASS. The SASS was quieter, picked up
>> the lowest of background noise e.g. distant highway, was more
>> spacious, had a better and more accurate stereo image. The Telinga
>> gave a more central image.
>>
>>
>> Vicki Powys
>> Australia
>>
>>
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>> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
>> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
>> Krause
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>>
>>
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> Krause
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