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Re: A quick and dirty comparison of some handheld recorders

Subject: Re: A quick and dirty comparison of some handheld recorders
From: "Rob Danielson" danielson_audio
Date: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:02 am ((PDT))
At 7:28 AM -0700 7/18/09, Dan Dugan wrote:
>
>
>  > I finally got around to making simultaneous recordings (of a very
>>  boring suburban soundscape) with a sampling of current generation
>>  handheld recorders:
>>
>  > * Nagra ARES-MII
>>  * Sony PCM-D1
>>  * Sony PCM-D50
>>  * Olympus LS-10
>>  * Zoom H4n
>>  * Sennheiser MKH-800 Mid-Side pair on a Nagra VI (OK, not exactly
>>  pocket size, but a useful baseline)
>  > * A mystery mic that I'll describe later
>
>>  For whatever it's worth, the audio can be found at:
>>  <http://www.crypto.com/audio/shootout/>http://www.crypto.com/audio/shootout/
>
>That's worth a lot, thank you very much, Matt.
>
>-Dan Dugan

Hi Matt-
Same here!

Matching background presence between the files (there were very small 
differences in levels from your peak matches), I found HF noise 
performance using the built-in mics performance decreased in this 
order:

Sennheiser MKH-800 (reference)
Sony PCM-D1 (tie with) Sony PCM-D50
Zoom H4n
Olympus LS-10
Nagra ARES-MII
Mystery mic (The HF response of this mic seems considerably compromised)

The dog bark provided me the most useful medium range stereo imaging 
and overall tonal comparisons. The background ambience was most 
useful for detecting the self-noise of the mics and wide stereo 
imaging.

http://tinyurl.com/m6vvcj (9mb QT movie)

http://tinyurl.com/m7m6ma (mp3 with bark and pres samples in this order
Sennheiser MKH-800 (reference)
Sony PCM-D1
Sony PCM-D50
Zoom H4n
Olympus LS-10
Nagra ARES-MII
Mystery mic


A few things I noticed:

(1) The LS-10's and ARES-MII's built-in mics are significantly brighter.
(2) The built in mics have much less lateral stereo imaging than the 
M-S reference but among these, the Zoom H4n and the Mystery X-Y mic 
seem to be slightly wider.
(3) The built-in mics on the H4n seem to be a little quieter than 
those in the LS-10.  The LS-10's built-in mics are noisy enough to 
lose the advantage this recorder should have over the H4n based on 
input noise measurements of the mic preamps of these two recorders.
(4) The D50 has better frequency response under 130Hz than the D1. 
The H4n also has pretty good response in the lowest frequencies


I guess its predictable (though unfortunate) that one would be able 
to hear the self-noise of the built-in mics in surburban environment, 
but it is interesting to hear how much less audible HF self-noise 
there is in the built-in mics of the Sony units-- consistent with 
Raimund's comment of a few days ago.

The stereo imaging of all of the built-in mics does seem to be 
minimal for distant subjects.

I'm guessing the "mystery" mics are off the shelf DIY electrets 
perhaps from radio shack plugged into a H2.

Thanks again,
Rob D.



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