Good grief!!! What the hell did I say to warrant this outburst?
This is Doug Von Gausig's list and NOT mine, I moderate this list for
him and I'm proud to do it. I try to keep everything in perspective
and keep the topic on "Nature recordists"
Too often this group will come up with every piece of equipment out
there but never try it in the field,
You ask if I put it over my shoulder, went outside to record, blah,
blah blah... That is NOT testing the machine in an environment that
this group is supposed to be focused on.. I'm sure if I went outside
and recorded in the street the recorder would have done an excellent
job, Is that your idea of testing? If Nagra wanted me to take it to
Central or South America to try it I would but I would NOT buy one
until I knew it worked in the conditions I expect it to work in!
This Group IS for nature recordists, there are not many options in the
field that allow you to use versatile equipment. I can give you many
examples of expensive gear failing in high humidity and the cheaper
equipment preforming better. Bernie Krause will tell you his
experience with Sony ecm-55b mics @ $177 each that out preformed
$30,000 ones!
I will not go on because it's plainly obvious I'm knocking my head
against a stone wall. For over 30 years i have been in environments
unforgiving and used equipment that has held me in good stead, your
probably a good recordist but i don't believe you understand this side
of the business...
Martyn
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On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Greg Simmons wrote:
> --- In Martyn Stewart <>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to point out that I started my original post from a
> > "nature recordist" perspective, after all, this is what this
> groups
> > about, right?
>
> Whew, I'm glad you pointed that out Martyn. I was beginning to think
> that you had it in for me. It seems like everything I post here gets
> over-scrutinised and ultimately trounced by the moderator as
> being "not relevant to nature recording", but I guess I'm just being
> paranoid and overly sensitive. And you're right, of course, this
> group is all about a "nature recordist" perspective...
>
> Therefore, by definition, this group is also about an exchange of
> ideas and opinions (i.e. perspectives) related to nature recording,
> isn't it? If not, I'll unsubscribe and get out of your hair because
> I'm obviously mistaken. The last time I checked this group was
> called 'nature recordists', not 'Nature Recording the Martyn Stewart
> Way'. ;-)
>
> You posted your opinion about the Nagra VI based on looking at one at
> an AES trade show that you were in and out of in one day, and then
> filtering that through your considerable experience as a nature
> recordist. Ultimately, you declared that you wouldn't touch it with a
> barge pole. Fair enough. I posted a 'balancing' opinion based on
> living and working with the machine for one month, making commercial
> quality recordings for broadcast and/or release under pressure to
> deliver an acceptable end result, and filtering that through my own
> recording experiences - including my experiences recording nature
> sounds. I declared that I would touch it with a barge pole.
>
> They're both valid points of view, IMO, because not all of the people
> on this list are interested *solely* in recording nature sounds, and
> therefore their equipment choices need to be more versatile. There
> are many names and URLs here that crop up in other on-line places I
> frequent, including topics such as phonography, audio mastering,
> acoustic music recording and general recording studio issues.
> Nonetheless, those people *do* record nature sounds and therefore are
> valid members of this group. And, in some cases, their recordings are
> for commercial purposes and so a very high standard is required.
>
> For those people, like me, an investment in recording technology
> might need to be more multi-purpose and versatile than something that
> is only suited to nature recording. A machine like the Nagra VI might
> be a consideration, so qualified opinions (positive and negative)
> discussing its potential for nature recording surely belong here.
>
> We can't *all* afford LS10s, you know... ;-)
>
> - Greg Simmons
>
> P.S. I'm curious, Martyn. While at the trade show did you actually
> sling the Nagra VI over your shoulder or put it in a backpack and
> carry it around for a couple of hours? Did you actually plug a mic
> into it, walk outdoors away from the din of the trade show and take a
> listen? Did you check out the huge selection of input sensitivities
> available to finely match the preamp's gain stage to your mic's
> output and thus optimise the recording's noise floor? Did you attempt
> to create folders, name files and edit meta-data (on the go or after
> the event)? Did you actually make a recording of anything at all with
> it? As I said, I'm just curious...
>
> > --- In Martyn Stewart <mstew@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would NOT touch the new Nagra VI with a barge pole nor would I
> > > consider the "Fusion or "Deva" recorders from Zaxcom.
>
>
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