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7. Re: Telinga Stereo-DAT compared with Twin Science?

Subject: 7. Re: Telinga Stereo-DAT compared with Twin Science?
From: "Klas Strandberg" klasstrandberg
Date: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:22 pm ((PDT))
Suppose you have a three-channel recorder.
Suppose you feed two channels with a binaural mic.
Suppose you feed one channel with a mono parabol.

Voila, it's the stereo DATmic... or???

Klas.

At 19:39 2007-04-13, you wrote:
>Just me jumping in the fire again.  Yup, there are all kinds of
>problems and each is a problem.  Dem critters don't stage well.
>
>Yes you are correct that the stereo image of a barrier mic type stereo
>image within a dish gives a mono target and stereo image for off
>target objects.
>
>That is not your only way to configure it though. It all depends on
>what you want for an end file.  I still am uncomfortable with a
>barrier within a dish because each mic sees only 1/2 of the dish.
>
>I still like the separated mics without barriers that pick up a good
>but different focal point that is next to but not a true "stereo"
>image.  What I get is either a good separate channel within a few
>degrees of the original or a sound source that can be used for
>"reverse phase" noise cancellation.  Either result I find more useful
>for what I do.
>
>The recent duck file was just a single mic because of the difficulty
>in recording I kept that part simple.
>
>I will pass on figure 8 mics within a dish.  But then, I pass on card
>mics as well.
>
>Recommendation:
>Play, I currently use 5 different configurations of two omni mics
>within a parabolic dependent on what I am trying to accomplish.
>
>Using a 32" dish.
>Rich Peet
>
>
>
>--- In  umashankar <> wrote:
> >
> > there is actually a bigger problem with stereo images and narrow
>sound stages. i am uncomfortable with ms microphones where the m part
>of the microphone is a shotgun. i had recently done some stereo-ish
>recordings with a telinga and the results again suggest it really is
>mono centre and a stereo ambience field not quite coherent with the
>centre (for a visual analogy, it is like a wide and unfocussed view
>with a sharply focused central circle).
> >
> > long ago i used a pair of mkh 805s with a barely 10 degree angle
>between them, and that felt a little more satisfactory. but perhaps
>the focused centre and widish stereo image is not such a bad idea.
> >
> > umashankar
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Antonio Celis <>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:46:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Nature Recordists] Re: Telinga Stereo-DAT compared
>with Twin Science?
> >
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > I'm intrigued of how the MS rig works in a reflector. Just trying to
>think nad
> > learn in how parabolas work....focal points (focus)in parabolas,
>phase-shift
> > phenomena? (as Klas mentioned), acoustical filtering (frequency
>cut-off),
> > etc...can you explain how well and MS works in a reflector or talk
>about your
> > experiences with this type of rig?
> >
> > What is the combination used? 30 and 40/50/60?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony Celis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Chris Owens <> escribi=F3:
> >
> > > I'm intrigued as well. I use one regularly, as do a few other
>members of the
> > > WSRS (Wildlife Sound Recording Society). There are users of the
>Telinga
> > > systems as well as those who use an MS rig in reflector.
> > >
> > > Chris.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 
> > >  On Behalf Of stoatwizard
> > > Sent: 13 April 2007 13:17
> > > To: 
> > > Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Telinga Stereo-DAT compared with Twi=
n
> > > Science?
> > >
> > > --- In  Klas Strandberg <telinga@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Klas
> > >
> > > > And still, in England, there is a group of people who frenetically
> > > > deny that stereo is at all possible in a dish.
> > >
> > > I'm intrigued - who are these guys ;) As an English user of the
>Stereo
> > > Datmic it still seems to work on my patch...
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
>
>Still ready to get rid of the quote tag that is an insult about what I do.
>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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