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Re: sanken css-5 self noise

Subject: Re: sanken css-5 self noise
From: "evs" onomatopoetik
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:27 am ((PDT))
hi,
what a pitty, the 18db are a-weihted. not so good, i think..
here is what sanken wrote me:

Yes, equivalent noise level of CSS-5 is less than 18dB.
It is A-weighted. Sanken standard stated that it is at "IEC 179".
However, we do not know its relation to CCIR.

IEC179? any differents to IEC651?

by the way, i will make a comparison hopefully tomorrow between the
sanken css-5 and two sennheiser mkh50.
(best comparison would be with a mkh50/30 combination. but i don=B4t
know anyone who has a mkh30..)

we will see...

all the best


Am 18.03.2007 um 17:16 schrieb Rob Danielson:

> At 3:56 PM +0100 3/18/07, evs wrote:
> >hello everyone!
> >i=B4m just curious, maybe someone can tell me if the self noise from
> >the css-5 sanken show off on their site
> >(http://www.sanken-mic.com/english/condenser/css-5.html)
> >is measured in DIN IEC 651(db-a) or in CCIR 468-3?
> >it says 18 db, if its db-a, its pretty high... if its not, that would
> >be great, they would be more quiet than the sennheiser mkhs...
> >anyone knows anything?
> >all the best
> >evs
>
> Hi--
> I can see why you have questions. When specs are
> loosely defined, I tend to not get optimistic,
> but some Sanken mics are highly regarded, often
> by film and video folks. We've found that
> comparison tests and field use are the only
> certain way to assess performance. Here's a
> search of the mic(s) on the rec.arts list:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.production.sound/
> search?group=3Drec.arts.movies.production.sound&q=3Dsanken+css-5
> +&qt_g=3DSearch+this+group
>
> Self-noise is important, but not as crucial for
> most film/video applications. I believe the Rane
> Notes suggest that (A) weighting usually lowers a
> self noise number around 7dB.
>
> The stated sensitivity of 70.8mV/Pa is notably
> high when the two mics are in the "wide stereo"
> mode. Then statement strike me as curious: "The
> WIDE mode is designed for stereo recording of
> sound effects where dialogue will be dubbed in at
> a later date. This mode allows a wider 140 degree
> pickup, whereas conventional M-S microphones have
> a maximum of 127 degrees."
>
> Is it doing internal M-S mixing? Can the signal
> from the two mics be recorded discretely?
>
> Also of interest to nature recordists "... with
> new PPS ( Poly-Phenylene-Sulfide ) diaphragms to
> provide optimum humidity / temperature stability.
> "
>
> Rob D.
>
>
>
>








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