Burnie,
Your comments on global warming are just what I would expect from someone o=
f your background and education. It's a pity so much time is spent on tryin=
g to convincing people there is a problem rather that taking the necessary =
steps to combat the problem and making plans for the dire effects it is lik=
ely to have.
Best regards,
Jim
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Subject: [Nature Recordists] Climate change and human connections
Having been priviliged to read a complete draft of the recent UNEP
Global Warming report (not yet released in full form) late last Fall,
I am doubtful if most of the several hundred climatologists,
physicists, biologists, and/or naturalists who participated are
terribly "stupid" and/or misinformed. While it's probably best just
to leave things alone and back off from our compulsion to consume,
and while it's likely (as Lovelock suggests) that we'll be superceded
and outlived by the lowly cockroach sooner rather than later, the
human connection to global warming in this instance is supported by
evidence beyond compelling in the report, which I hope will be
released soon to dispel any remaining skepticism on the issue. After
serious worldwide peer review, there was nearly universal consensus
on the language and a 90% level of certainty. And this comes from a
group that can literally erupt in fisticuffs over minor points at
conferences. I've rarely seen this kind of accord. My money's on
this one, for the moment.
Bernie Krause
>This may not be the place to debate this, but I have read about
>scientists' explorations into the long time frame - and there are
>non-natural anomalies stemming from the beginning of agriculture 6,000
>years ago, accelerated by the industrial revolution recently... a
>change in the natural temperature fuluctuations... I think humans have
>more to do with it, as there are several cycles, including 100,000
>years and they coincide non-randomly. But I'm not enough of an
>authority to quote, just something I read that made sense. I can look
>it up if you like.
>
><L>
>
>Lou Judson * Intuitive Audio
>415-883-2689
>
>On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Walter Knapp wrote:
>
>> Posted by: "Chuck B"
>>
>>> Walter Knapp wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And as far as
>>>>> global warming, we are on the warming end of the ice age cycle, and
>>>>> this
>>>>> has repeated numerous times for at least the last half million year=
s
>>>>> without making frogs extinct. And last I checked there is no
>>>>> evidence we
>>>>> were driving SUV's half a million years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Interesting. One could also say, "Hey, I didn't die yesterday, I
>>> must
>>> be immortal."
>>
>> Not the human race. If it survives the next 50,000 years it will get a
>> lesson on just how variable the earth's climate is as the earth's orbi=
t
>> swings back to oval from it's current near circular. The carbon dioxid=
e
>> levels follow that cycle. And geologic cycles as most carbon dioxide i=
s
>> in rocks.
>>
>> There is a lot that can be laid at the doorstep of the human race, but
>> not everything that happens can. Nor can humans "fix" such things. It'=
s
>> too bad people cannot work out the difference.
>>
>> You are talking to a real biologist, you won't get me thinking I'm
>> immortal. Though it might be fun to personally see how stupid the huma=
n
>> race will be in the long run.
>>
>> I guess you are saying humans are not adaptable. They sure better lear=
n
>> fast.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Microphones are not ears,
>> Loudspeakers are not birds,
>> A listening room is not nature."
>> Klas Strandberg
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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