ME mic's are electrets and not part of the discussion.
ME mic's are as reliable as all other similar electrets, that is - quite go=
od.
Klas
At 20:39 2005-08-30, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I hope everbody is doing well.
>
>I'm still trying to catch up this conversation,
>although, I do not understand everything since I do
>not understand all the technical terms you are using.
>
>You were talking about mkh and its reliability in
>humid conditions, and the non-reliability for other
>mics with goods specs.
>
>I'm have been using Sennheiser ME's for long periods
>of time outdoors (several hours for several days) in
>really bad humid conditions (tropical areas such as
>caribbean islands and south mexican forests). All of
>them are working well and the only problem is that
>their specs are not as good as mkh mics but lack of $$
>is a important reason to use ME. The K6 works very
>good and just one AA battery last almost forever.
>
>
>See you later
>
>Antoio Celis
>
>
> --- Rob Danielson <> escribi=F3:
>
>
>---------------------------------
>At 1:49 PM +0200 8/30/05, Klas Strandberg wrote:
>
>,<snip>
> >
> >Both my R=F6de NT1A make low frequent noise, even
>"pop's" as soon as it gets
> >a little cold, and so (even more) does the CAD 179.
>This is actually in
> >order! The mic's are made for indoor studio work and
>cannot!! be reliable
> >under cold / humid circumstances. (I still wanted to
>try them, though, as
> >they are new and untested)
>
> Mkh's are close to 100% reliable in high
>humidity and everyone would prefer to have at
>least one pair. Until one can afford that
>solution, one must figure out how to get the best
>mics one can afford into the field. Poor me, I
>figure I need 4 mkh-800's for the next reliable
>upgrade.
>
>Its probably safe to say that no experience with
>a non-mkh condenser mic, short or long term, good
>or bad, can be applied universally. There seem to
>be both mechanical and environmental variables
>that make field results inconsistent and ranging
>from very good to very bad.
>
>Klas says that all (non-mkh) condenser mics are
>flawed by design and should not be asked to
>perform in high humidity. However, I have a
>pair of Rode NT1A's that I have been setting out
>for 12 hour stints this summer in 100% humidity,
>high temp conditions and they have not failed
>once. They could fail tonight. I have four other
>NT1-A's, two that will predictably fail under
>these demanding conditions that I use when its
>dry and 2 more that fail about one trip out of
>six under these very demanding conditions.. I've
>never had a Rode NT1-A go out in dry cold, (i.e.
>days @ -15 degree F), but I'm certain yours did!
>Unpredictable? Yes! Including the possibility
>they'll work fine.
>
>If a NT1-A is under warranty and you produce a
>recording of it flaking out, your dealer should
>be happy to take it in for exchange. Its worth
>the chance the exchange mic will be better. I've
>even exchanged the second mic.
>
>If Rode hears from field recordists that high
>humidity performance needs to be a design
>priority, maybe they can provide it. Some units
>cope much better than others,.. Why? We gain
>little by categorizing mics and making
>generalizations. Rode is listening. They're now
>selling the NT1-A's in matched pairs and Peter
>Freedman has said he wants to expand the line of
>field mics. I encourage people to share their
>experiences and needs with Rode and other manufs
>that seem open to our needs. Most field
>recordists will be affected by improvements in
>this arena faster than anything else. For 1/4
>the price of one MKH-800, one can pick up
>another set of unreliable mics, a Rolls and $160
>HiMD recorder and instantly double the odds. Rob
>D.
>
>
> >The Shure mic must be an electret, the question is
>internal noise. That
> >they claim some self-noise figure doesn't mean a bit.
>There is so much
> >lying about this and all manufacturers have to
>follow.
> >
> >Klas.
>
>
>We need to remember that one's experience, no
>matter how good or bad, does not apply
>universally. I have a pair of NT1A's that have
>never, NEVER gone out in the hottest 100%
>humidity ever recorded on the planet earth, (or
>close to it) I also bought two that were poor
>performers out of the box. The m
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >At 09:50 2005-08-30, you wrote:
> >>Curt Wrote-
> >>
> >> >Samson C02s lately -- $120.00 for a pair. Roughly
>similar size, shape
> >> >and *published* specs to the wonderful Neumann
>KM184, which is more
> >> >than 20x the price. There are specs and then
>there are specs, of
> >> >course, but for that price, Samson definitely has
>me curious. Has
> >> >anyone here tried the C02s?
> >> I second that inquiry, because there has been a
>flood of budget mics out
> >>there these days. Too good to be true, I am
>thinking, so can anyone on here
> >>demystify what's going on here? I would like to hear
>Klas out on this
> >>subject, as a maker he knows the corners that are
>being cut and what it
> >>means in terms of a quality product.
> >> Best,
> >> Mark R.
> >>
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been
>removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Microphones are not ears,
> >>Loudspeakers are not birds,
> > >A listening room is not nature."
> >>Klas Strandberg
> >>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> >S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> >Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> >email:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>Rob Danielson
>Film Department
>University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>
>
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>Loudspeakers are not birds,
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>Klas Strandberg
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