At 16:56 2005-02-15, you wrote:
>Top shelf analysis Klas, well summed up mate :)
>By the way, was that cuckoo is on steroids!!!!
Yes, female triggered steroids!
The cuckoo is a strange bird to record: You have to be at least some 100
meters away and capture the ambience. At a short distance, he just sounds
ridiculous. No steroids.....
Glad you folks liked my summary!
Klas.
>Martyn
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Klas Strandberg
>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:33 AM
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>Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Mic Terminology
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>A general statement which is almost true:
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>Considering "sound quality", all microphones today are as good as the best
>ones 20 years ago.
>So don't worry about sound quality, frequency response etc. It's good
>enough.
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>Then the noise problem:
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>Listen to "My Garden" on telinga.com, click sound gallery.
>The microphones in question had an inherent noise level of some 8-9 dbA.
>That's low.
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>In this category of mic's you will find the Sennheiser MKH series, the
>telinga MPS1 series and all those recently marketed low-noise mic's using
>the same China-made 1 inch capsule, like the CAD 179 for example. (Those
>China capsules are very different from one another! You need to match them
>to get a stereo pair!)
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>If you replay such a recording at a reasonably low level, like in reality
>or a bit louder, 10 dbA will not be audible at a recording like "my garden".
>16 dbA will be audible, but not disturbing.
>23 dbA will be disturbing and something which you will try to filter away.
>Roughly.
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>Considering an owl, 50 meters away, deadly silent around - 16 dbA will not
>only be audible, but also disturbing.
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>Noise is related to size. The bigger the membrane is, the easier it is to
>make it low noise.
>All 5 mm electrets have a noise level about 30 dbA or worse. All 10 mm
>capsules have a noise level at about 26 dbA or worse. (All except one)
>All 20 mm capsules, like Sennheiser ME-series and Telinga EM23, make about
>16 dbA noise, or worse.
>The Sennheiser MKH and Telinga MPS1 are here exceptional. They have 20 mm
>membranes, but a noise which is only 10 dbA or better.
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>Hope it helps a bit.
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>Klas.
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>At 04:33 2005-02-13, you wrote:
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> >Im one those who Walter refers in a previous thread
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> >"It could be very easy for this group to become nothing but technical
> >discussions. But that would not be very attractive to new folks to
> >nature recording. We need to get them hooked before we drop the ton of
> >technological bricks on them. You can record well without understanding
> >the terminology, though it's easier if you do understand the
> >implications of that stuff."
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> >Even after followering to the group for several months now I still
> >having a lot of trouble appreciating what is a good mic and how that
> >relates to the dollar sign. From recent messages I'm not the only one.
> >Some of this is terminology and unfortunitly I can not access the link
> >on the groups home page which may help. Then there are varous
> >specifacations one reads for example self noise, is very important but
> >the difference between a mic with 25dB and 40dB are still figures.
> >Something that I could relate to is how much closer am I going to get to
> >that bird for the same recording. The some for self noise (how much
> >extra hiss I'm going to hear in the background with an extra 10dB ) and
> >there is sound to noise ratio. Other specifications such as output
> >Impedance and Dynamic Range are just figures.
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> >I have looked at a number of sites that has a general advise on tools
> >and methods. Also there have been a number of references on what makes
> >a good mic in this group but there is hell a lot of messages to read to
> >get a grasp of it all. I'm asking the impossible, can there be a set of
> >guidelines amongst the group that would make an ideal mic, one that
> >would do the job and those that will disappoint you for individual calls
> >vs ambiance recordings. There is no need to mention specific makes of
> >mics or other additions such as barriers as one needs to get a grasp of
> >the basics befor being side tracked down another path. Some one could
> >explain in practical terms what the varies specifications are. This
> >maybe a useful reference for the home page.
> >David
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> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
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>Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
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>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
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Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
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