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Re: surround recording

Subject: Re: surround recording
From: Walter Knapp <>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:11:23 -0400
From: Rob Danielson <>

> 
> re stands:
> With omnis looking at sounds at a distance, Klas' 
> advice to get the mics as high as possible does 
> seem to be very good. There's less comb filtering 
> from the ground and the local reflections can be 
> much more defined with height. 7 feet is 
> noticeably better than 4' and  20-30' is better 
> yet.

This technique is hardly limited to omnis, in fact when Klas originally 
talked about it we were talking about parabolics.

I've been making a lot of use of this technique. Seven feet I can do 
hand held, but to go higher requires support. I have some high mic 
stands, but they are not as high as light stands. You can get really 
high with light stands, the one in the photos above is about 15'. I've 
recently obtained a Bogan 3076 light stand which will do 17'. It's 
lighter than the other stand and reduces to a shorter length. Aluminum 
makes it reasonably light, but that's a mixed blessing. It's only rated 
at carrying 3 lbs, and I'd not try using it in any kind of wind. The 15' 
stand I've used in a fair breeze. It's more robust.

Photos:
http://wwknapp.home.mindspring.com/tall.tripod.1.jpg
http://wwknapp.home.mindspring.com/tall.tripod.2.jpg
Many of my recent sound samples have been recorded with the SASS on the 
high tripod.

Stands above those heights tend to get heavy and awkward to set up. But, 
the height I'm getting seems to take care of most of the clutter.

Light stands have a standard fitting that's got a short 1/4" thread at 
the top. I use a machined adapter that slips over the whole fitting, you 
can see the adapter in my M/S page:
http://frogrecordist.home.mindspring.com/docs/my_ms_setups.html

Not only do you get away from the ground clutter, which makes sounds 
cleaner, but with directional mics you have another option. If you get a 
directional mic up high and point it down at your subject, you will pick 
up less distant unwanted noise.

If working where some callers are close, getting the mic high will help 
to reduce the sound overload from them and allow you to record more 
distant subjects.

   Rich's birthday helium balloon wireless mic
> approach is a must for our Spring 05 surround 
> demo. 

I'd think this would have problems in day to day use with wind.

I'm looking into hi-end wireless
> transmiters (Letrosonics) to put spring clamps on 
> because it usually works out that I can locate 
> trees that work better than my stands. I can also 
> tuck an protective umbrella into the branches for 
> a wind break and/or rain shelter if needed. Can't 
> do this on a free-standing stand. The problem 
> with wireless, beyond interference, is most units 
> use a compander circuit for noise reduction. I 
> used the DBX compander system for reel to reel 
> for years and it was not kind to low signal 
> levels. I'll be running some tests to see how 
> well the letronics can cope with quiet settings. 

Look into the Sennheiser 1000 series digital wireless system. It 
transmits a 44khz 16bit digital signal, avoiding the analog problems.

I have a couple of those (takes two for stereo). For my system they have 
the problem that their transmitters don't provide phantom power, so I 
have to have that between them and the mics as a minimum. I've got all 
the pieces to do it, just have to find the time to set it all up.

Walt







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>From   Tue Mar  8 18:28:20 2005
Message: 8
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:55:45 +0200
From: "Roberto van Eijden" <>
Subject: RE: surround recording

Pardon me, it should be :

http://www.lexiconusa.com/Equipment/Sennheiser/ew/d1000.htm

Roberto




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Loudspeakers are not birds,
A listening room is not nature."
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