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RE: Clicks when transferring from Portadisc to PC through USB

Subject: RE: Clicks when transferring from Portadisc to PC through USB
From: "Dominique Laloux" <>
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:37:32 +0100
Hi Raimund,

I have tried at least the following machines (a "white" desktop PC built
on a QDI motherboard, an Acer Aspire 1400, and a Compaq Presario 2800...
Quite different machines). Could it be that all 3 have a problem with
their USB host controller ? The Compaq has a NEC USB controller. I am
not sure about the other 2...

In any case, I have been looking around for a PCMCIA USB controller, and
as soon as I borrow one, I'll try.

And I'll try with the DMA mode activated as well...

I wonder how other Portadisc users are managing their transfers to a PC
under Windows...

Thanks,

DL



> -----Original Message-----
> From:   
> Sent: 20 February 2004 00:42
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Clicks when transferring 
> from Portadisc to PC through USB
> 
> 
> Hi Dominique,
> 
> I have experienced such clicks too. There seem to exist a few 
> USB host controller chips (located on the motherboard of the 
> computer) that don't work reliably under certain 
> circumstances. For instance, when I record directly onto my 
> SONY Vaio mini-laptop CV1E via an external USB audio 
> interface, I get random clicks as long as I have selected a 
> reduced processor clock speed (300 MHz instead of 600 MHz). 
> Interestingly, the clicks also disappear when I use an extra 
> PCMCIA-based USB host controller card instead of the 
> integrated USB ports. 
> 
> So, before you buy another computer, you might try to install 
> an additional USB host controller card (there are both 
> PCI-bus and PCMCIA models). The PCMCIA card I used 
> successfully is the model 'ADVANCE PERIPHERALS USB 2.0 
> CardBus'. It employs a 'NEC USB Open Host Controller'.
> 
> As you already mentioned, it could also be important to 
> reduce the overall processor load as much as possible. 
> Several USB audio interface manufacturers recommend to 
> activate the DMA mode option for the harddisk.
> 
> Regards,
> Raimund
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I recently noticed the addition of clicks in recordings transferred 
> > from Portadisc to PC through the USB port. The clicks are clearly 
> > audible, they appear in the sonogram as vertical bands, and 
> they seem 
> > to correspond to a few milliseconds of data loss. They 
> appear randomly 
> > but, sometimes, up to 10 of them within 10 of 15 seconds. 
> Transferring 
> > the same track several times, I eventually could transfer 
> most tracks 
> > without clicks. But that is not really practical !
> > 
> > I only noticed these clicks recently, while transferring 
> the recording 
> > of a band concert to a PC for editing. Each track was 
> several minutes 
> > long (3-5 min). I never noticed them in previous transfers, but my 
> > nature recordings are usually much shorter (around 1 min).
> > 
> > I tried my 2 portadiscs, 3 PCs (all 3 under XP Pro, I must 
> admit) and 
> > both CoolEdit 2000 and Audition... Same results. I tried on desktop 
> > PCs built around P3 at 450 MHz, with 384 Mb RAM, and plenty of disk 
> > space. I also tried on a laptop at 2.5 GHz with 512 Mb RAM... even 
> > tried on both systems using a RAM disk for store temp 
> files, in order 
> > to eliminate disk access speed problems.
> > 
> > While transferring, I also stopped MacAfee anti-virus, as 
> well as all 
> > services that are not critical... I still have clicks.
> > 
> > Anyone having faced that problem before ? Any suggestion 
> beside buying 
> > a new computer ??? Paul, is that something other Portadisc 
> users (like 
> > journalists) have noticed before ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Dominique Laloux




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