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Subject: Re: new readers
From: Walter Knapp <>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:11:41 -0500
From: Rob Danielson <>

> Of course we want readers from unprecedented backgrounds to feel 
> welcome, They are clearly finding skills on this list they're not 
> finding elsewhere.  Is there a list of sound recordists with more 
> collective hours in the field? I use Bernie's book as my intro to 
> film/video soundtrack text precisely because the assumptions are the 
> most applicable. I learned this from this list. Wider audience is 
> flattering and can accelerates everyones' learning. Maybe the lack of 
> an FAQ is making this role more burdensome. Some terrific string 
> summaries could be edited together. If we came up with 4-6 FAQ topics 
> and 4-6 people each took one topic to search and possibly summarize? 
> Anyone can search a term in the archive, but a reader who knows the 
> lists history and personalities could portray some very 
> informative/provoking stuff.  Rob D.

Since I've been in the list from it's founding, I often look at current 
discussions through the perspective of having read all that's been said, 
and by whom on that subject. It is unfortunate that some of the very 
experienced nature recordists of the early days don't join in 
discussions much. I have a pretty good idea what some of them would say, 
but new folks don't get their perspective.

In fact, since I belong to several lists, I have other perspectives than 
just those of this list. Some of those other lists have folks that 
probably get out and record as much or more than this list. In their own 
particular interest areas. The phonography group, for instance, does not 
limit themselves to just recording nature. They are the group for things 
like street recordings, whatever. And they tend to mix their recordings 
and modify them a lot more than traditional nature recording, which trys 
to do it in one take and then not modify it. There are quite a few very 
active recordists in that group.

I'm more noticing that, with the relative lack of posting by the more 
experienced nature recordists the discussions are being carried on more 
and more by folks new to nature recording. A large part of the new 
influx into the group is from other recording types. Left to their own 
devices, discussions will gravitate toward what people are most familiar 
with. That has resulted in the group sounding more and more like a group 
of "indoor" recordists. I know that with time those that get out and do 
nature recording will most certainly learn what's different about nature 
recording, and what they are interested in will change as a result. Or 
they will undergo a lot of stress trying to make it fit their indoor habits.

Certainly the influx of these new ideas is positive. In that they can be 
tried in nature recording, and some may be quite useful. But we maybe 
need just a little more chatter that's on what's already known in nature 
recording. A little more that shows the relative importance of different 
aspects to nature recording.

Nature recording involves working in a environment that is acoustically 
completely out of control. Or at least not at all man made. With 
microphone setups that are marginal to indoor recording, if they are 
even known at all. By necessity nature recording is done with portable 
equipment run off batteries. In climate conditions that a lot of 
equipment does not tolerate well. This is quite different from indoor 
recording and imposes certain limitations. The range of sound levels 
that are important in nature recording is much wider than that of indoor 
recording, which puts different demands on equipment. Which means we are 
interested in different aspects of our equipment than indoor recording. 
And all the rules of how to set up our equipment that are based on 
assumptions of a simplified acoustic space are going to not work well 
either.

The sounds we record don't follow the rules of music. They are 
significantly different. Which means applying the type of processing 
that music recordings undergo may be quite inappropriate. And the design 
theory used for recording music is also of unknown value.

To do nature recording well you need to treat it as a unique discipline. 
Many things from other recording disciplines do apply, but nothing you 
bring from these other areas should be assumed to have the same 
importance without learning that it does through actual use.

I enjoy hearing all ideas. I read as widely as I can. And glean what I 
can use from that. Nature recording is really a pretty young discipline, 
especially nature recording just for the enjoyment of it all as opposed 
to "scientific" recording. Writing a FAQ about a lot of this stuff is 
not very cut and dried. Some things are beginning to become clear, but 
there is very wide latitude for experimentation. You can get books that 
will tell you how to mic each musical instrument in each possible way it 
might be used. And how to process the recording afterwards. You won't 
find that sort of thing for nature recording. There may never be such a 
thing possible, and instead we shall have to learn how to come up with 
the best setup in each situation on the fly.

Ask 4-6 nature recordists how to record a site, you will get 4-6 quite 
different ways. Ask dozens, and you will get dozens of ways. And 
probably some knock down drag out fights over the ways. I have a feeling 
this is part of why every proposal to have group FAQ's has not gotten 
off the ground. Though I'm not discouraging the attempts. Getting nature 
recordists to agree in a lot of areas is a lot like herding cats. And I 
see no reason why it should be otherwise.

Walt






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