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Re: Digest Number 1196

Subject: Re: Digest Number 1196
From: Walter Knapp <>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:20:58 -0500
>    From: "Rich Peet" <>
> Subject: Re: Walt's Frogs CD
> 
> 
>>> The rather restricted method of sales has to do with what a 
> 
> individual
> 
>>> state agency can do here. Other methods were available, but would 
> 
> have
> 
>>> put the money in the state general fund, not back where it will 
> 
> help the
> 
>>> non-game research program. Even the CD's going to state parks will 
> 
> only
> 
>>> return them the wholesale part.
> 
> 
> For those of us to follow. Do you agree a specific designation to use 
> of funds is needed by the recordist?  Would you do it again without 
> having control of where all funds went?  

I trust those involved in this project to do their best to keep the 
funds in the non-game work. These are folks I know very well and they 
too were very determined that it fund the program.

I'd do it again, it is a important thing to me that it contributes to 
the program. It would do that even if it did not return a dime. It's 
educational benefit is very high. One of my particular personality 
quirks is to teach. I'm teaching in doing this. I get tremendous 
satisfaction from every note I get thanking me for providing info on 
frogs either via the CD or my website. Many of those are from teachers.

Each recordist has to make their own decision as to how their recordings 
are used. I do not believe just money is involved. You have to be 
comfortable with the arrangements, usually once they are made it's hard 
to change them.

> And the hard question. Do you regret not having a % return for the 
> recordist.

No, I don't regret that. I might could have asked for one, but it was 
not of high importance for me. I did think carefully about that. 
Remember, I'd just completed 5 years as a volunteer herp survey 
participant. All my life I've participated in various volunteer 
activities, also part of my nature. In a lot of ways the CD was just a 
continuation of the herp survey effort. The majority of the recorded 
material came out of recordings I'd done for the survey. It's part of a 
larger picture that will produce considerable material for distribution 
out of what was learned in the survey (and since).

For those who think they can make some money at this, that CD sold the 
first run of 1000 in a month. And that was off season. I'm really 
curious to see how well it does this next year when the frogs are 
calling. The flip side of that as far as making money is the material on 
that CD took 7 years of intensive effort to gather. Many, many miles on 
my vehicles, motel bills, food etc. To say nothing of equipment. I'm 
really glad I'm not trying to make a profit.

I do have some ideas for a more elaborate production along the lines of 
a multimedia DVD. It will take some time to gather the material for 
that. Don't know if DNR will be interested or if I'll do that one on my own.

In final analysis my nature recording is a retirement hobby that's a 
outgrowth of my field biology. I do not look at it as something that 
will make me rich. You can really spoil a enjoyable hobby when you try 
to make a profit off it.

Walt




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