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Re: Vocalization intensity and speciesdensity

Subject: Re: Vocalization intensity and speciesdensity
From: "richpeet" <>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:04:13 -0000
very nice.  I just misread your graph.
Your frogs don't sound related much to my frogs.
A different puddle for sure.
enjoy.


--- In  geojeff <> wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> 
> I saved and uploaded a 10 minute part of the file -- there is 
another
> screenshot of the waveform for this 10 minute section, and there is 
a link
> at the very bottom of the web page
> (http://www.geojeff.org/tmp_rockefeller.html) to the mp3 file.  I 
also made
> a 1 minute version.  Listening to it again, the birds are doing a 
little
> complaining about the frogs -- the "strange" call near the 
beginning is a
> snowy egret I think.
> 
> Can you tell from the audio or from the waveform if it is clipped? 
(I
> suppose that "clipped" just means that the recording level is set 
too high
> and it "maxes" out, and thus doesn't record the full range of 
amplitude.)
> Doesn't look like it to me, since the max peaks don't seem to line 
up.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: richpeet 
>   Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:40 PM
>   To: 
>   Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Vocalization intensity and 
speciesdensity
> 
> 
>   Check your frogs again Jeff.  I can not listen to the graph you 
sent
>   but it looks like it may be cliped.  Those frogs are loud and 
that is
>   very easy to do.  I blew an hour on the 15th having done that same
>   thing.
> 
>   Here is part of the second attempt version. both small downloads.
>   http://home.attbi.com/~richpeet/frog.jpg
>   http://home.attbi.com/~richpeet/frog.mp3
> 
>   Good luck.
> 
> 
>   --- In  geojeff <> wrote:
>   > I made a couple of hour-long recordings last week at Rockefeller
>   Wildlife
>   > Refuge on the Louisiana coast.  I am a rookie at this, and am
>   curious about
>   > the start-stop pattern to the calling (bullfrogs, cricket, and
>   leopard
>   > frogs, at least, I think).  When I look at the waveform it
>   looks "periodic"
>   > at least in parts of the 75 min recording (See
>   > http://www.geojeff.org/tmp_rockefeller.html).  There certainly
>   aren't any
>   > long quiet intervals.  Cricket frogs are the common callers at 
each
>   > "chorus."
>   >
>   > This recording was made at an egret/heron rookery near the
>   headquarters of
>   > the refuge.
>   >
>   > Jeff Pittman
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: Walter Knapp 
>   >   Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:59 AM
>   >   To: 
>   >   Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Vocalization intensity and
>   speciesdensity
>   >
>   >
>   >   Doug Von Gausig wrote:
>   >   >
>   >   > At 08:04 PM 4/18/2002, Mark Oberle wrote:
>   >   > >Although it might make sense, I could only find a few 
papers
>   arguing
>   > that
>   >   > >at low densities, such as at the edge  of their range, 
species
>   might
>   > tend
>   >   > >to vocalize less than at higher population densities, with 
a
>   lot of
>   > singing
>   >   > >rivals nearby. Does anyone have any similar or counter
>   impressions?
>   >   >
>   >   > My observation is that most Passerines are stimulated to 
sing
>   by other
>   >   > birds singing near them. Not just by their own species,
>   either . In fact
>   >   > they are often stimulated to sing by almost any other 
sound -
>   which is
>   > why
>   >   > so many good recordings are made just as airplanes fly by!
>   >
>   >   Frogs do the same thing, sing like mad while the truck or car
>   passes,
>   >   then clam up when it gets quiet again. Very annoying 
sometimes. I
>   swear
>   >   I hear little tiny laughter in the quiet periods, that they 
are
>   doing it
>   >   on purpose because I'm trying to record....
>   >
>   >   They have scouts that watch and when you press the record they
>   signal
>   >   quick quiet to everybody. Then when you hit stop they signal 
all
>   clear....
>   >
>   >   Then there is the other game. Sit quiet as the recorder runs 
on
>   and on.
>   >   Then time it so that just before you give up and stop they 
call.
>   >   Briefly. It's a experiment they are conducting to see just how
>   little
>   >   they can call and still have that hairless ape keep trying to
>   record
>   > continuously....
>   >
>   >   On a slightly more serious note, frogs are definitely 
stimulated
>   to call
>   >   by others calling. So you get much more continuous calling 
once
>   the
>   >   population reaches a certain density.
>   >
>   >   Walt
>   >   
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