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Red-billed Buffalo Weaver? Could it be the Alpenkraai or is it back to t

Subject: Red-billed Buffalo Weaver? Could it be the Alpenkraai or is it back to the Chough?
From: Con Boekel <>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:02:30 +1000
Enjoying the fun of the chase, I fossicked my way through my /Vogelgids van Europa (Vogelgids)/, and came across the Alpenkraai /Pyyrhocorax pyyrhocorax/

This is a black bird with red bill and red legs. The bill is slightly decurved and is a slightly darker-toned red than the legs. Legs are feathered as per Sue's pic. The vent and undertail coverts are black and, in the Vogelgids' illustration, look scruffy. The darker and lighter distribution of colour in the underwing pattern is consistent with that of the Alpenkraai.

I then checked /Birds of Britain and Europe with North Africa and the Middle East/ /(Birds)/ and found that /Pyyrhocorax pyyrhocorax/ is aka the Chough - already raised and considered in this string but considered an iffy proposition, if I recall correctly, on account of avoirdupois distribution and a lack of aptitude for hovering. Sue's bird, if a hen, could be demonstrating maternal malice, maternal indifference or maternal incompetence. Getting a bit more anthropomorphic, the resigned look on the chick's face indicates that it is probably not the first time it has been used as a landing strip.

Based on the /Vogelgids/ and the /Birds/, Europe has some way to go as a fully-integrated cultural and political entity:

Scientific name Dutch name Dutch name translated into English English name P. pyyrhocorax Alpenkraai Alpine Crow Chough P. graculus Alpenkauw Alpine Jackdaw Alpine Chough Corvus monedula Kauw Jackdaw Jackdaw

Culturally, I think I may say that I have seen Choughs on the larger of the two offshore islands and many Kauw, but not a single Alpenkraai on the continent.

The Black Bulbul's undertail coverts are tidy, and grey with white scales.

I don't have guides for most islands, Indonesia, central/south asia, or Central and South America, so am not sure if there are other candidates from those parts of the world.

Con

John Leonard wrote:
I'll answer my own question: having scoured all the field guides I own to places I can't afford to travel to I think it's a Black Bulbul (India to S China, but only northern Indochina).

John L

On 9/20/07, *Steve Holliday* < <>> wrote:

    Beak is too long for a buffalo weaver, it doesn't match any
    starling or
    icterid either. I think Geoffroy is probably right, although, like
    John,  I
    would have thought a chough would look chunkier.

    cheers

    Steve



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