Re Banding

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Subject: Re Banding
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:51:23 +1100
Is there anyone not already bored by this (or wasn't last time or the time
before that)? The anti banding lobby raising the same old rhetorical
questions with little or nothing to back it up. Surely the efforts of these
people whether based on any conservation concern or concern over animal
welfare issues, could be better addressed to the real problems impacting on
waders; such as loss of coastal habitat in Asia (and no doubt in Australia
too), and hunting of them for food by people in many parts of the world
(probably mainly Asia).

This is one of the worst divergent of original email discussions. A
completely innocent item about Buddigower Nature Reserve. Has nothing to do
with waders anyway...... If everything goes off track like this, probably
people will stop contributing........

Whilst I am whinging, why don't people delete the long list of prior
messages and multiple [Birding-Aus] footers before forwarding again.....


-----Original Message-----From: Birding-Aus
 On Behalf Of Stephen Ambrose
Sent: Saturday, 18 October 2014 9:53 AM
To: 'Ian May'; 'Peter Shute'    Cc: 'geoff jones barra images';
     Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Re Banding trip
to Buddigower Nature Reserve take2


You have repeatedly expressed your concerns about bird banding on
Birding-aus for several years now.  In all those discussions you refer to
data that supposedly indicate bird numbers are declining due to banding, leg
flagging, cannon-netting etc. Yet when others on Birding-aus have repeatedly
requested that you identify the data or photographs that you are referring
to, or make them available, it is met with silence.  How can we have a
sensible discussion on this topic if you fail to produce
scientifically-robust evidence in support of your claims? Even if the data
that you are using aren't scientifically-robust, it is still worth making
them available to Birding-aus so that a discussion of the merits of the data
and validity of the conclusions can occur.

Stephen Ambrose
Ryde NSW 

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