It would be interesting to know how much further many of our species must
decline before Jeremy agrees that his " actually not too bad " assessment
is actually not correct. Many species are in serious decline - whilst he
may be correct in actual extinctions there are quite a few birds that are
only hanging on with lots of support - but maybe that is " actually not too
bad "
On 23 August 2012 14:16, Bob Cook <> wrote:
> Jeremy
>
> With Climate change and the passing of peak oil, combined with the huge
> growth in resource demands of "middle class" populations in China and India
> and "head in the sand" attitudes of so many governments, I think that
> perhaps you also have a far too optimistic view!
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Jeremy
> O'Wheel
> Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 2:04 PM
> To: Peter Shute
> Cc: ; Richard King
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] future prospects for the environment
>
> Well it's because I value birds ahead of people having fun (and think you
> can have fun in other ways). But my comment in regards to those steps was
> somewhat facetious. If I were elected global poobah tomorrow, I think
> you'd have to consider those "non-core promises" and I may try and come up
> with policies that aren't entirely in line with my own intangible values,
> but give some consideration to other people's values.
>
> But, of course, it's worth noting the difference between "not too bad" and
> "good." Obviously our approaches to many environmental issues could be
> better. I'm not saying we shouldn't care about the environment, and we
> can't do things better. I'm just saying we're not going to end up with a
> completely destroyed environment in the near future (or even close to
> that).
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>
> > Jeremy, why would you take those steps if you think the state of the
> > environment is not too bad?
> >
> > Peter Shute
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [birding-aus-
> > > On Behalf Of Jeremy O'Wheel
> > >Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 1:25 PM
> > >To: Richard King
> > >Cc:
> > >Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] future prospects for the environment
> >
> > >It's 80 years since an Australian bird went extinct (not counting our
> > >island territories), and although if it were up to me, I'd massively
> > >increase national parks, ban the recreational use of beaches and
> > >wetlands,
> > >as well as dogs and cats, and presumably never get elected, I think we
> > >have
> > >to recognise that the state of both the Australian environment and the
> > >global environment is actually not too bad, and doom and gloom is not
> > >based
> > >on facts.
> >
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