Shooting in NPs

To: "Mark and Mandy Young" <>, <>
Subject: Shooting in NPs
From: "Tim Dolby" <>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:30:50 +1000
There are some interesting species nominated for hunting in the NSW Game
and Feral Animal Control Amendment Bill 2009. Common Bronzewing seems a
bit strange to me, as does Purple Swamphen. I assume Topknot Pigeon is
there because they eats food crops? In Victoria Stubble Quail is the
only native quail species that can be legally hunted.

Out of interest, a number of the birds nominated are not on the official
Australian list. Presumable Turkey (Meleagris galloparvo galloparvo) and
Pheasant (Phasiniacus phasianus colchicus) are farmed on private
property, but what about Hungarian Partridge (Perdix perdix) and
Bobwhite Quail (Colinus virginianus). If these are hunted in the 'wild'
do they exist as a wild populations. I'm assuming these introduced game
birds are also only found on licensed game bird farms.


Tim Dolby

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Mark and Mandy
Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2009 11:46 PM
Subject: Shooting in NPs

G'day all,

I think it behoves us all to make our selves acquainted with the facts
surrounding this issue.

1). For those wishing to understand in greater detail what this bill is
about that is being introduced by the NSW Shooters Party, it is called
Game and Feral Animal Control Amendment Bill 2009. A direct link to it
provided here

2). To lodge your objections for this bill, please write, phone or send
email to;
Carmel Tebbutt
Deputy Premier
Minister for Climate Change and the Environment
244 Illawarra Road
Marrickville NSW 2204
Phone: (02) 9558 9000
Fax: (02) 9558 3653

Postal Address:
PO Box 170
Marrickville NSW 1475

3). What concerns me is that the act doesn't make enough of a
about what is shot and where. Rather, the act will allow any of the
animals/birds at any of the locations to be shot. Ie: Black Swans and
Corella's are listed among the list of game animals. If a location has
1 nesting pair of Black Swans' this act allows for them to be hunted.

4). This act fails to recognise the effect hunting has on other wildlife
species not listed within it.

5). This act fails to make a distinction between a location that has one
species in great abundance, and one that the same species sparsely.

6). This bill does not recognise the importance and value of our native
wildlife and birds. It instead seeks only to make provision for the NSW
Shooter party to be able shoot whichever animals and birds as they have
listed in the act, ON THEIR TERMS.

I think if we all took some time to look at what is being asked by the
Shooters Party in this bill, and what the impact that allowing such a
to pass will mean, I can't see how we can sit back and not at the very
send an email to Carmel Tebbutt voicing our concerns that this bill is
in the best interests of our native wildlife.

Mark Young

-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of Graeme Stevens
Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2009 11:37 AM
To: ; 
Subject: Shooting in NPs

Sound point Ross and to make the assumption that some, maybe many,
shooters are

not also conservationists is unsound. I have met many who are as
appalled at
the damage done by goats,

rabbits etc to the national estate as the most ardent subscriber to

Greg Clancy makes a very sound point on why uncontrolled shooting should
be permitted in National Parks,

especially on public safety grounds, but controlled culling by skilled
marksmen is a different issue and may satisfy multiple


It seems to me that the "elephant in the room" as the saying goes, is
it has terrific political and electoral appeal to

dedicate new National Parks, often for the best of reasons, but it is
necessarily followed up with the resources to manage them. As a result,
can become fabulous reservoirs for feral animals and noxious weeds - ask
adjoining landholder.

I could provide a few pointed examples from goats to blackberry.

All a question of balance I think and like all species, whether rabbits,
Eastern Greys or perhaps even us, if we let the population get out of
control, resource depletion, disease, starvation or conflict will
sort it out.

As I think Chris Brandis pointed out (sorry Chris if I misquote) we are
already past the point in many situations of assuming natural systems
can be
left to work on their own. We may wish it were otherwise but we are now
integral part of the "natural system" and romantic notions to the
just wont cut it over much of our wonderful country. Balanced and wise
intervention is the only viable option so why not use all resources at

I would much rather see a National Park closed for the weekend while
supervised members of the Sporting Shooters Association cleaned out the
goats on foot (if they cant be economically trapped and utilised) than
them eat eveything on the ground and up to the browse line, then
the trees.

Please let's try not to vilify people who enjoy the natural environment
care for it whether they carry binoculars, rod or rifle  Never know,
may think our lack of balance pretty selfish from time to time?

Graeme Stevens

> From: 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Shooting in NPs
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:42:51 +1000
> Parks Victoria actually awarded a Kookaburra Award in 2007 to the
> Sporting Shooters Association for their work shooting feral goats in
> Little Desert NP. It's an appropriate application of hunting in
> parks - controlled by the park managers, and targetted against feral
> species. Recreational hunting is not...
> Ross Macfarlane

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