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Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 59, Issue 17

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Subject: Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 59, Issue 17
From: Michael Hunter <>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:15:15 +1000
Online Ornithology

Penny and I did the Sturt Ornthology course years ago, I have the material for 
the Cornell external course,

The Sturt course when we did it was outstanding, being a component of a Science 
Certificate.  It was Australian oriented.

BUT don't be seduced by the relatively few hours quoted to properly complete 
this course, and be aware that significant on campus time is (or was) needed.

The Cornell book is a great general but N American oriented Intro to 
Ornithology and worth reading by any serious birder. 

Cornell is a fabulous world Ornithology centre.

          Cheers

               Michael 

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>   2. Re Online Ornithology Course (Debbie Lustig)
>   3. Stringing (A Smith)
>   4. Re: Stringing (James Mustafa)
>   5. Re: Stringing (rob morris)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:10:04 +1000
> From: Bill Stent <>
> To: Birding Aus <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Anyone available to take a visitor to Werribee?
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> Hi all, Bill here.
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> I've been contacted by a work colleague who is being visited by a mate from
> Singapore between the 8th and the 12th of October. He's an avid birdwatcher
> and photographer, and my friend was wondering if his mate could go to the
> WTP on one of those days. Unfortunately I'm working (and hosting another
> overseas visitor) that week, so I can't help out.
> 
> I know it's a bit of an ask, but is there anyone free to take this bloke
> from East Doncaster to Werribee for the day?
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 05:43:54 +0000
> From: Debbie Lustig <>
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re Online Ornithology Course
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> When you say `proper`, I assume you mean higher qualifications like diplomas 
> or degrees? Then, the Charles Sturt Uni course is your course.
> 
> However, some excellent courses are offered online by the Cornell University 
> Lab of Ornithology. Some are for beginners, some for more advanced learners. 
> Some are free, others require payment. Some are very general while others are 
> very specific to North America. There`s a free sample lesson or activity with 
> most courses. Some courses offer a certificate that says you`ve completed the 
> course.
> 
> Almost all are self-paced. I`ve done two and they`re great.
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>   1. Online ornithology course (Akos Lumnitzer)
>   2. Wedge-tailed Eagles (milton smith)
>   3. Re: Online ornithology course (Lyn Saint)
>   4. Cheerio (Lawrie Conole)
>   5. Re: Online ornithology course (David Bruce)
>   6. Re swimming Frogmouth (David White)
>   7. Re: Online ornithology course (Anne Brophy)
>   8. Re: Re swimming Frogmouth (Laurie Knight)
>   9. Re: Re swimming Frogmouth (James Mustafa)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:50 +1000
> From: Akos Lumnitzer <>
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Online ornithology course
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> Hi Birders
> 
> Could anyone recommend a proper ornithology course that can be undertaken
> online and is credible?
> 
> I know of one through Charles Sturt Uni, so any other would be helpful.
> 
> 
> Many thanks
> Regards
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:24:01 +1000
> From: milton smith <>
> To: birding-aus <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Wedge-tailed Eagles
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> It was very distressing to read Barney Enders Post re the poisoning of 136
> Wedge-tailed Eagles
> One would like to think that in 2018 after extensive Public education over
> many years that all rational thinking Human beings would have been educated
> enough to understand that these birds although capable of attacking live
> animals eg lambs just do not do so, and if so one extremely rare occasions
> I know I  am speaking to the converted on this forum, But all i ask is that
> those of us who are passionate about the conservation of Wedge-tailed
> eagles will contact our local MPs , ministers for the environment etc when
> cases like this occur, and also follow up the cases to see if the
> perpetrators get the right penalty applied.
> Although the State Gov  Environment Departments clearly indicate that these
> birds are protected by Law and severe penalties apply for wilfully killing
> them, there is not a lot of obvious educational information disseminated on
> the reasons why these protective laws are in place, and why we are trying
> to conserve our native wildlife.
> 
> always optimistically
> 
> Milton Smith
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:43:07 +1000
> From: Lyn Saint <>
> To: Akos Lumnitzer <>
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Online ornithology course
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> Hi Akis,
> That is the only one and it is very credible. I have completed some units 
> from it.
> Lyn
> 
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>> On 14 Sep 2018, at 11:28 am, Akos Lumnitzer <> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Birders
>> 
>> Could anyone recommend a proper ornithology course that can be undertaken
>> online and is credible?
>> 
>> I know of one through Charles Sturt Uni, so any other would be helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> Regards
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:54:15 +1000
> From: Lawrie Conole <>
> To: Birding-Aus <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Cheerio
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> Hi birders
> 
> I just resigned from Birdlife Australia after being a member for ~40 years!
> I'll be signing off from Birding-Aus as well (but I'll still take a peep in
> the archives from time to time).  Thanks to all here who have contributed
> (positively or negatively) to any matters I raised here over the years.
> 
> Birds will always be in my blood and I can't help but notice them wherever
> I am, but they just aren't foremost in my hobby or professional worlds any
> more, and I haven't been actively involved in any ornithological
> organisation's activities in years.
> 
> Go well, and good birding!
> 
> cheerio ...
> 
> [And for any of you saying "who the hell is this guy anyhow?", that
> illustrates my point about how inactive I've been in the last decade or
> two.  :-)  ]
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++
> Dr Lawrie Conole
> Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 03:42:10 +0000
> From: David Bruce <>
> To: Lyn Saint <>, Akos Lumnitzer
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Online ornithology course
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> Me too and I am really enjoying it.
> 
> David Bruce
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
> Lyn Saint
> Sent: Friday, 14 September 2018 9:43 AM
> To: Akos Lumnitzer
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Online ornithology course
> 
> Hi Akis,
> That is the only one and it is very credible. I have completed some units 
> from it.
> Lyn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2018, at 11:28 am, Akos Lumnitzer <> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Birders
>> 
>> Could anyone recommend a proper ornithology course that can be undertaken
>> online and is credible?
>> 
>> I know of one through Charles Sturt Uni, so any other would be helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> Regards
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:40:53 +1000
> From: David White <>
> To: 
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re swimming Frogmouth
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> Hello I recently observed a Papuan Frogmouth swimming on the Daintree River
> North Queensland
> and I was interested if anyone else has observed this behaviour. It was an
> intentional swim and easy exit.  Thank you . David.
> --
> Cheers,
> 
> David White
> Owner operator
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:21:56 +1000
> From: Anne Brophy <>
> To: David Bruce <>
> Cc: Lyn Saint <>, Akos Lumnitzer
>        <>, ""
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Online ornithology course
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> I have one more assignment for the Certificate and have found the course 
> everything I had hoped for. No walk in the park however!
> 
> Kind regards,
> Anne
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2018, at 13:42, David Bruce <> wrote:
>> 
>> Me too and I am really enjoying it.
>> 
>> David Bruce
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
>> Lyn Saint
>> Sent: Friday, 14 September 2018 9:43 AM
>> To: Akos Lumnitzer
>> Cc: 
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Online ornithology course
>> 
>> Hi Akis,
>> That is the only one and it is very credible. I have completed some units 
>> from it.
>> Lyn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2018, at 11:28 am, Akos Lumnitzer <> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Birders
>>> 
>>> Could anyone recommend a proper ornithology course that can be undertaken
>>> online and is credible?
>>> 
>>> I know of one through Charles Sturt Uni, so any other would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks
>>> Regards
>>> <HR>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:34:34 +1000
> From: Laurie Knight <>
> To: David White <>
> Cc: Birding Aus <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Re swimming Frogmouth
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> G?day David
> 
> Was the frogmouth swimming or just having a birdbath?  The Noisy Miners bathe 
> in my backyard pool - they sit on the fence, plop in and fly back to the 
> fence [and repeat several times].
> 
> Was the frogmouth hopping in and out of the water, floating in the water or 
> propelling itself through the water?
> 
> Regards, Laurie.
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2018, at 3:40 pm, David White <> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello I recently observed a Papuan Frogmouth swimming on the Daintree River
>> North Queensland
>> and I was interested if anyone else has observed this behaviour. It was an
>> intentional swim and easy exit.  Thank you . David.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> David White
>> Owner operator
>> Ph +61 (0)40987131
>> www.solarwhisper.com<http://www.solarwhisper.com>   
>> <https://www.facebook.com/SolarWhisper/>
>> <https://www.instagram.com/solar_whisper/>
>> <https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attraction_Review-g499650-d676603-Reviews-Solar_Whisper_Daintree_River_Wildlife_Cruises-Daintree_Daintree_Region_Queensland.html>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 19:03:43 +1000
> From: James Mustafa <>
> To: Laurie Knight <>
> Cc:  
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Re swimming Frogmouth
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> Link to the image is viewable here:
> https://www.facebook.com/SolarWhisper/photos/a.720450611333535/2050146975030552/?type=3&theater
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> *James Mustafa*
> [image: photo]
> *James Mustafa*
> Musician/Composer
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> 
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:35 PM Laurie Knight <>
> wrote:
> 
>> G?day David
>> 
>> Was the frogmouth swimming or just having a birdbath?  The Noisy Miners
>> bathe in my backyard pool - they sit on the fence, plop in and fly back to
>> the fence [and repeat several times].
>> 
>> Was the frogmouth hopping in and out of the water, floating in the water
>> or propelling itself through the water?
>> 
>> Regards, Laurie.
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2018, at 3:40 pm, David White <> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello I recently observed a Papuan Frogmouth swimming on the Daintree
>> River
>>> North Queensland
>>> and I was interested if anyone else has observed this behaviour. It was
>> an
>>> intentional swim and easy exit.  Thank you . David.
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> David White
>>> Owner operator
>>> Ph +61 (0)40987131
>>> www.solarwhisper.com<http://www.solarwhisper.com>   
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/SolarWhisper/>
>>> <https://www.instagram.com/solar_whisper/>
>>> <
>> https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attraction_Review-g499650-d676603-Reviews-Solar_Whisper_Daintree_River_Wildlife_Cruises-Daintree_Daintree_Region_Queensland.html
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 09:54:54 +1000
> From: A Smith <>
> To: Mick Roderick via Birding-Aus <>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Stringing
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> I am currently reading Noah Stryker's excellent book about his world big 
> year, Birding without Borders. In the book, Noah talks about stringing and 
> uses an Australian example. Does anyone know the background to this story?
> 
> In the example Stryker uses, 'local experts became suspicious of the 
> impressive list of sightings' made by someone doing a state big year. The 
> observer 'was caught red-handed' when he reported a frigatebird with a photo 
> that subsequently was found to have been taken in Fiji. The clincher was that 
> the photo showed clear blue skies when the weather was cloudy on the day 
> others had seen the frigate bird. 
> 
> Regards
> Alastair
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:40:24 +1000
> From: James Mustafa <>
> To: 
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Stringing
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> Hi Alastair,
> 
> This story is referring to myself and my erroneous decisions back in 2014.
> I make no claims to pretend it didn't happen. But thankfully, it's in the
> past. Makes for good reading apparently.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> *James Mustafa*
> [image: photo]
> *James Mustafa*
> Musician/Composer
> 
> 0400 951 517  | 
> 
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> <http://www.facebook.com/JamesMustafaJazzOrchestra/>
> <http://instagram.com/JMustafaMusic> <http://twitter.com/James_Mustafa_>
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:36 PM A Smith <> wrote:
>> 
>> I am currently reading Noah Stryker's excellent book about his world big
>> year, Birding without Borders. In the book, Noah talks about stringing and
>> uses an Australian example. Does anyone know the background to this story?
>> 
>> In the example Stryker uses, 'local experts became suspicious of the
>> impressive list of sightings' made by someone doing a state big year. The
>> observer 'was caught red-handed' when he reported a frigatebird with a
>> photo that subsequently was found to have been taken in Fiji. The clincher
>> was that the photo showed clear blue skies when the weather was cloudy on
>> the day others had seen the frigate bird.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Alastair
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 09:56:22 +0000
> From: rob morris <>
> To: A Smith <>
> Cc: Mick Roderick via Birding-Aus <>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Stringing
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> Hi there
> 
> Noah?s example is not ?stringing? - that example is fabrication aka lying.
> 
> A stringer is someone who misidentifies things without knowing. Stringing - 
> as it was defined in the 70s and 80s Uk birding scene was the same - e.g. 
> someone who genuinely thinks he saw a Fairy Pitta at Mount Glorious not 
> realising it was a Noisy Pitta. 
> 
> Fabrication is most commonly called lying.
> 
> Rob
> 
> Robert P Morris BSc(Hons) MSc GIACD
> 
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> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Sep 2018, at 19:36, A Smith <> wrote:
>> 
>> I am currently reading Noah Stryker's excellent book about his world big 
>> year, Birding without Borders. In the book, Noah talks about stringing and 
>> uses an Australian example. Does anyone know the background to this story?
>> 
>> In the example Stryker uses, 'local experts became suspicious of the 
>> impressive list of sightings' made by someone doing a state big year. The 
>> observer 'was caught red-handed' when he reported a frigatebird with a photo 
>> that subsequently was found to have been taken in Fiji. The clincher was 
>> that the photo showed clear blue skies when the weather was cloudy on the 
>> day others had seen the frigate bird. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> Alastair
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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