Tony I had a similar response from Andrew Silcocks last week, so hopefully
it is close to happening.
Ian Samson
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2. Re: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys (Martin Butterfield)
3. Re: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys (Mona Loofs-Samorzewski)
4. Re: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys (Peter Shute)
5. Re: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys (Tony Ashton)
6. Re: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys (martin cachard)
7. Re: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys (Martin Butterfield)
8. Re: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys (Dave Torr)
9. Eurasian Curlew at Point Douro near Bunbury (John Graff)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:49:16 +1000
From: Tony Ashton <>
To: Birding-Aus <>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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Hi all,
I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then went
via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one the
three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording transfer
of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago, unknown
to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers, in my
case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings tucked away
by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
I'm interested in all comments,
Cheers,
Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:31:18 +1000
From: Martin Butterfield <>
To: Tony Ashton <>
Cc: birding-aus NEW <>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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It would be interesting to know the nature of the "problems" . For example
are they due to systems incompatibility between eBird and Birdata or policy
decisions by Bordlife Australia or eBird?
Either way it is a very sorry state of affairs that your data (and
presumably mine and many many others) are not being used by Birdata. This
is particularly bad when their pronouncements are seen as the official word
on the state of Australia's birds. If they are missing out 50% (and I
suspect I'm being charitable about their share of the 'market') it must
reduce the credibility of their results.
Martin Butterfield
http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 15:50, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then went
> via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one the
> three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording transfer
> of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago, unknown
> to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers, in my
> case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings tucked
away
> by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
>
> I'm interested in all comments,
> Cheers,
> Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:46:12 +1000
From: Mona Loofs-Samorzewski <>
To: Tony Ashton <>
Cc: Birding-Aus <>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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I have noticed the halt in the transfer of data from eBird to Birdata also,
nothing seems to have happened in that regard for several years. I have no
idea why, but I have a related question - if you submit a list to eBird, and
it (one day) gets transferred to Birdata, what happens if later you correct
or update that list, will the corrections ever be translated over to
Birdata? Or does it only ever take a snapshot of new lists each time a
transfer happens? I can see it would be fiendishly complicated to connect
the two databases seamlessly.
Mona
> On 11 Sep 2018, at 3:49 pm, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then went
> via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one the
> three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording transfer
> of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago, unknown
> to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers, in my
> case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings tucked
away
> by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
>
> I'm interested in all comments,
> Cheers,
> Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:10:04 +1000
From: Peter Shute <>
To: Tony Ashton <>
Cc: Birding-Aus <>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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Tony, how are you determining whether data is being transferred to birdata
or not? If you're looking at the data on the maps, I don't know how
regularly they're updated to reflect what's in the database.
I don't know if it's still the case, but I know at one stage they went years
between updates, but the data was there in the database.
Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Sep 2018, at 3:49 pm, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then went
> via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one the
> three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording transfer
> of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago, unknown
> to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers, in my
> case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings tucked
away
> by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
>
> I'm interested in all comments,
> Cheers,
> Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:43:26 +1000
From: Tony Ashton <>
To: Peter Shute <>
Cc: Birding-Aus <>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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Hi Peter, Mona, Martin, others interested,
After I by chance noticed absence of anything beyond Sep 2015 under my My
Data on Birdata I emailed a query to Birdlife.
Birdata project manager Andrew Silcocks responded thus, on Aug 6:
*Hi Tony,Thanks for your email. We haven't imported eBird data for a while.
We have been having issues with reclassifying the surveys types. However
we?re about to do our first import and will be uploading eBird surveys
which have the Birdata survey types specified. So your surveys will be
amongst those. Should be done over the next week or two.Regards, Andrew*
So after four weeks and no changes I decided to see if stirring things up a
bit might move things along a bit faster. And perhaps help answer questions
others have.
Tony
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM Peter Shute <> wrote:
> Tony, how are you determining whether data is being transferred to birdata
> or not? If you're looking at the data on the maps, I don't know how
> regularly they're updated to reflect what's in the database.
>
> I don't know if it's still the case, but I know at one stage they went
> years between updates, but the data was there in the database.
>
> Peter Shute
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 11 Sep 2018, at 3:49 pm, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then
went
> > via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one the
> > three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording
> transfer
> > of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago,
unknown
> > to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers, in
my
> > case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings tucked
> away
> > by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
> >
> > I'm interested in all comments,
> > Cheers,
> > Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
> > <HR>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:46:25 +0000
From: martin cachard <>
To: Tony Ashton <>, Peter Shute
<>
Cc: Birding-Aus <>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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good for you Tony I say!!
cheers,
martin cachard
trinity beach, cairns, fnq
________________________________
From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Tony
Ashton <>
Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2018 7:43 PM
To: Peter Shute
Cc: Birding-Aus
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
Hi Peter, Mona, Martin, others interested,
After I by chance noticed absence of anything beyond Sep 2015 under my My
Data on Birdata I emailed a query to Birdlife.
Birdata project manager Andrew Silcocks responded thus, on Aug 6:
*Hi Tony,Thanks for your email. We haven't imported eBird data for a while.
We have been having issues with reclassifying the surveys types. However
we?re about to do our first import and will be uploading eBird surveys
which have the Birdata survey types specified. So your surveys will be
amongst those. Should be done over the next week or two.Regards, Andrew*
So after four weeks and no changes I decided to see if stirring things up a
bit might move things along a bit faster. And perhaps help answer questions
others have.
Tony
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM Peter Shute <> wrote:
> Tony, how are you determining whether data is being transferred to birdata
> or not? If you're looking at the data on the maps, I don't know how
> regularly they're updated to reflect what's in the database.
>
> I don't know if it's still the case, but I know at one stage they went
> years between updates, but the data was there in the database.
>
> Peter Shute
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 11 Sep 2018, at 3:49 pm, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then
went
> > via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one the
> > three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording
> transfer
> > of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago,
unknown
> > to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers, in
my
> > case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings tucked
> away
> > by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
> >
> > I'm interested in all comments,
> > Cheers,
> > Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
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10nXyOfCWU-XyXsYoKhHACLcBGAs/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/jacana1200BD0I4101.JPG]<ht
tp://tytotony.blogspot.com/>
tyto tony<http://tytotony.blogspot.com/>
tytotony.blogspot.com
New bird today - old problem. The previously unlisted (on eBird) Grey
Whistler won't sit still for a picture worthy of its noteworthy arrival.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:00:04 +1000
From: Martin Butterfield <>
To: Tony Ashton <>
Cc: Peter Shute <>, birding-aus NEW
<>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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Thanks Tony. "For a while" = 3+ years!!
I'm not sure how generally applicable the following metric is, but it may
stir a rather larger pot. For the COG Annual Bird Report to June 2017, of
the 173,333 records available to the authors of that report: 1847 records
were sourced from BA and 158,628 (91.5%) sourced from eBird.
Martin Butterfield
http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 19:44, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
> Hi Peter, Mona, Martin, others interested,
>
> After I by chance noticed absence of anything beyond Sep 2015 under my My
> Data on Birdata I emailed a query to Birdlife.
>
> Birdata project manager Andrew Silcocks responded thus, on Aug 6:
>
>
>
>
>
> *Hi Tony,Thanks for your email. We haven't imported eBird data for a
while.
> We have been having issues with reclassifying the surveys types. However
> we?re about to do our first import and will be uploading eBird surveys
> which have the Birdata survey types specified. So your surveys will be
> amongst those. Should be done over the next week or two.Regards, Andrew*
>
> So after four weeks and no changes I decided to see if stirring things up
a
> bit might move things along a bit faster. And perhaps help answer
questions
> others have.
>
> Tony
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM Peter Shute <> wrote:
>
> > Tony, how are you determining whether data is being transferred to
> birdata
> > or not? If you're looking at the data on the maps, I don't know how
> > regularly they're updated to reflect what's in the database.
> >
> > I don't know if it's still the case, but I know at one stage they went
> > years between updates, but the data was there in the database.
> >
> > Peter Shute
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On 11 Sep 2018, at 3:49 pm, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then
> went
> > > via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one the
> > > three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording
> > transfer
> > > of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago,
> unknown
> > > to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers, in
> my
> > > case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings tucked
> > away
> > > by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
> > >
> > > I'm interested in all comments,
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:05:27 +1000
From: Dave Torr <>
To: martin butterfield <>
Cc: Tony Ashton <>, birding-aus
<>
Subject: Birdata pickup from eBird surveys
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One issue of course is that on eBird one can enter one's world list. If you
use Birdata you cannot get a world list, which some people want.
On Tue., 11 Sep. 2018, 20:02 Martin Butterfield, <>
wrote:
> Thanks Tony. "For a while" = 3+ years!!
>
> I'm not sure how generally applicable the following metric is, but it may
> stir a rather larger pot. For the COG Annual Bird Report to June 2017, of
> the 173,333 records available to the authors of that report: 1847 records
> were sourced from BA and 158,628 (91.5%) sourced from eBird.
>
>
> Martin Butterfield
> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 19:44, Tony Ashton <> wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter, Mona, Martin, others interested,
> >
> > After I by chance noticed absence of anything beyond Sep 2015 under my
My
> > Data on Birdata I emailed a query to Birdlife.
> >
> > Birdata project manager Andrew Silcocks responded thus, on Aug 6:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Hi Tony,Thanks for your email. We haven't imported eBird data for a
> while.
> > We have been having issues with reclassifying the surveys types. However
> > we?re about to do our first import and will be uploading eBird surveys
> > which have the Birdata survey types specified. So your surveys will be
> > amongst those. Should be done over the next week or two.Regards,
Andrew*
> >
> > So after four weeks and no changes I decided to see if stirring things
> up a
> > bit might move things along a bit faster. And perhaps help answer
> questions
> > others have.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM Peter Shute <> wrote:
> >
> > > Tony, how are you determining whether data is being transferred to
> > birdata
> > > or not? If you're looking at the data on the maps, I don't know how
> > > regularly they're updated to reflect what's in the database.
> > >
> > > I don't know if it's still the case, but I know at one stage they went
> > > years between updates, but the data was there in the database.
> > >
> > > Peter Shute
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On 11 Sep 2018, at 3:49 pm, Tony Ashton <>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > I stopped listing on Birdata (too clunky) long ago. My listings then
> > went
> > > > via Eremaea to Birdata. Then with eBird I chose where possible one
> the
> > > > three survey types (2ha 20min; 500m radius; 5km radius) affording
> > > transfer
> > > > of my near daily listings to Birdata. But almost three years ago,
> > unknown
> > > > to me (and, I guess, others) Birdlife met 'problems'. No transfers,
> in
> > my
> > > > case, since end of September 2015. So, roughly 30,000 sightings
> tucked
> > > away
> > > > by and for me on eBird. None on Birdata.
> > > >
> > > > I'm interested in all comments,
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Tony Ashton (http://tytotony.blogspot.com/)
> > > > <HR>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:56:41 +0000
From: John Graff <>
To: Birding-Aus <>,
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Subject: Eurasian Curlew at Point Douro near Bunbury
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Hi all,
A Eurasian Curlew was photographed at Point Douro near Bunbury yesterday by
Don Carlson - I guess it's likely to be the same bird recorded at the site
for a year or so from early 2016.
Don provided the following notes about access to the site if anyone is
heading down for a look - "The track to Pt. Douro has been blocked off by
the Shire so an alternative way in is needed. If anyone is intending to go
there, approach from Australind side & take the side track on eastern side
of the Collie River, walk under the bridge."
Cheers,
John
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