A great day's birding

[MADELON LANE <>]

Getting the photos has stood us in good stead as we slowly go from
beginners to handy birders. At first we really would not have been able to
trust our field IDs, photos have taught us the basics of ID, to look for
the features in plumage, skin colour etc etc. Several species have been
discovered as we looked at our pics and found for example 2 different
Thornbills. Same with shorebirds. Our field skills are better now that we
have seen over 450 species but it is still a good aim. I must admit I have
started noting “Seen and heard, no pic”on some species as it reduces the
frustration level a bit with things like Scrub Birds and Bristlebirds. I
only refer to Trev as the cameraman as he has skills with the camera that I
do not have and with the sighter he is very quick even with finding birds
using it. We certainly are a team and all our birds are a combination of
both our skills. But as the years go on we will be trying to adapt our
methods to pick up missing species from the list.
Cheers Madelon

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 at 1:29 pm, Philip Veerman <> wrote:

> Just for you.....
>
> I will respond to one thing. That is "Trevor has a saying that if we
> didn’t get a photo we didn’t see it."
>
> That is a nonsense. I am 60 now and have been involved with bird watching
> / study since a child. Only for about a couple years in the late 1970s did
> I try taking bird photos. I found it too expensive and difficult. Of course
> no such thing as digital cameras then. Sure these days if you have the
> resources, photos help and can be their own priority but they are not
> fundamental to the study or ID of birds.
>
> It is curious that you write of a "cameraman" in terms of having a
> separate person in that role......
>
> As for Button-quails, normally seen as they fly away. No hope of getting
> to see them flying by telescope, yes on rare occasions can be found walking
> or sitting but I think it would be extremely rare that you get a telescope
> onto them.
>
> Philip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf
> Of MADELON LANE
> Sent: Monday, 18 December, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: Peter Shute; 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] A great day's birding
>
> Thanks Peter,
> No I didn’t realise that the email was not to whole group, will watch out
> for that next time, pretty new to this list, thanks for letting me know. If
> I send this to the group as well by specifying it in the To section it may
> work, will try that.
>  We have the rifle sight on the camera on the tripod so get most of the
> advantages that way but it would help with that awful situation when you
> are dancing around in frustration as the cameraman just cannot find the
> bird! And my directions are not working! Usually when you have a new bird
> too. And I have the advantage if he finds the bird, once you see the bird
> in the viewscreen it is easier to get it in the bins.
> Cheers Madelon
>
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 at 10:33 am, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>
> > A scope is just higher magnification than binoculars, usually at least
> > double, but often quadruple or more. Only useful when you need a closer
> > look, and mostly used for waders because they sit still long enough.
> > Sometimes people use them on birds in trees, but often they're moving
> > around too  much.
> >
> > You need a tripod with a scope because they're not much use unless
> they're
> > held steady, and they're hard to aim without one. A big advantage is that
> > you can aim it, then let another person have a look. You can't do that
> with
> > binoculars, unless you've put them on a tripod.
> >
> > Maybe next time you run into someone using a scope, you could ask for a
> > look through it. That would help you make up your mind.
> >
> > By the way, you replied just to me, not the whole list. Not sure if that
> > was intentional. Others on the list might have more information for you.
> >
> > Peter Shute
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: MADELON LANE 
> > > Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017 10:18 AM
> > > To: Peter Shute <>
> > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] A great day's birding
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > > Like Carl we do not have a scope and wonder what they are better for? I
> > > imagine when you are at a relatively fixed point and want to look at
> far
> > off
> > > waders etc. As a couple we have me with the binoculars and Trev with
> the
> > > camera so do most of our new and difficult IDs back home in the
> evening.
> > We
> > > cover quite a lot of distance sometimes and the extra weight would need
> > to
> > > be useful, or we would certainly benefit from getting better at lying
> in
> > wait
> > > for birds and maybe the scope would help with that? Or would we end up
> > > stuffing around with equipment too much when we should be continuing to
> > > improve our field observation skills? Trevor has a saying that if we
> > didn’t get a
> > > photo we didn’t see it, which keeps us honest on new birds but raises
> the
> > > bar on things like Button Quail (none so far!).
> > > Cheers Madelon
> > >
>
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