Well, I don't care what you lot do ,I'm sticking with JABIRU !
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From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
Dave Torr
Sent: 29 January 2017 13:06
To: Martin Cake
Cc:
Subject: names
As far as I know IOC does have an Aussie representative on their committee.
I quite agree that BLA's names are weird and unlikely to be accepted. Why did
they not just follow IOC or BLI rather than (badly) re-inventing a wheel.
On 29 January 2017 at 11:32, Martin Cake <> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I can understand the anger at having English names foisted on us from
> overseas. But directing this anger at “the boffins” is rather misdirected.
> Instead, take a look at the abysmal state of the processes we have (or
> rather, don’t have) in Australia for naming birds when a new name is
> required.
>
> If a species is split, one or the other half of the split needs a new
> name, period. This occurs (mostly!) due to advances in taxonomic
> understanding, not whims of scientific fancy. Moaning about this is
> like shaking your fist at the incoming tide.
>
> But currently Birdlife Australia’s ‘English Name Committee’
> subserviently follows BirdLife International, which shows no sign of
> taking any notice of their little Aussie cousin on either taxonomy or
> English names. Most field guides on the other hand prefer to follow
> the IOC list, which generally respects existing local usage and has
> some Australian input. But in either case the English names will be
> decided overseas, without any official mechanism for input from any sort of
> Australian ’names committee'.
>
> BLA could (and should) be proactive in forming local English names of
> prospective splits before they occur. There is usually enough time
> between scientific publication of evidence for a split, and its
> adoption by the checklists, to provide some local advice on a new
> name. Instead BLA’s ENC persists with the laughably absurd policy of
> giving every subspecies a long-winded geographic name. For example
> Greg has recommended Satin Stork for E. asiaticus australis to BLA’s
> ENC, but instead they currently have it listed in the WLAB as
> “Torresian Black-necked Stork”. Just be thankful that BirdLife
> International took no notice when splitting White-quilled Honeyeater,
> ignoring WLAB’s recommended name of “Northern Blue-faced Honeyeater”;
> Western Fieldwren (WLAB = “Western Wheatbelt Rufous Fieldwren”);
> Paperbark Flycatcher (WLAB = “Northern Restless Flycatcher”); or Kimberley
> Flyrobin (WLAB=“Western Lemon-bellied Flycatcher”).
>
> So instead of shaking your fist at the boffins, why not take a look at
> how ineffectual BirdLife’s ENC is at actually naming Australian birds?
> We need an Australian ENC that can respond quickly to the latest news
> in taxonomy, and engage with the international checklist bodies like IOC and
> Clements.
> And that is not likely to occur while BirdLife persists with the
> ridiculous BirdLife/HBW/Tobias system of taxonomy, the root problem
> now and into the future.
>
> Martin
>
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