The Decline of BA

To: John Leonard <>
Subject: The Decline of BA
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 03:54:47 +0000
Hi John,

No, the trolls on BA don't just tackle women. I have had a few scraps with one 
or two. They don't worry me at all, I have even enjoyed some of the bouts I 
have had with the more intelligent amongst them.

Perhaps the main cause of the "decline" of BA, ls the sheer number of 
australian birding sites on FB. Every person and their pelican can set up a FB 
page, whereas, setting and maintaining a mailing list/news group takes a lot of 
effort and time.

Carl Clifford

> On 5 Jan 2016, at 10:44 AM, John Leonard <> wrote:
> Hi Jenny
> I am astonished and saddened to hear of your BA experiences.
> I have been a reader and contributor to BA for 20 years, and in that time 
> have made my views known on a number of topics,  but during all that time I 
> have not received a single email of an abusive nature. (There have been a few 
> robust responses to my contributions, but only sent to the group as a whole).
> Is it that trolls only target women?
> Anyway, I'm sorry we do not now have your contributions because of his 
> harassment.
> John Leonard
>> On 5 Jan 2016, at 10:07 am, Jenny Spry <> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I agree totally that Facebook is useless for archive searching and much
>> good information is going to be lost. Birding-Aus has been an invaluable
>> resource for me over the years and I hope I have sometimes provided help to
>> others. And yes, it is sad to see the demise of the road trip reports.
>> Having said all that I don't submit to Birding Aus any more because of all
>> the "trolls" that used to contact me complaining that:
>> I had spelt a word wrong
>> That I actually didn't know what I was talking about
>> That going on a twitch was a waste of the worlds limited resources
>> That keeping a year list/life list was not in the spirit of birding
>> Etc etc etc
>> Sadly the above comments were usually couched in words meant to demean or
>> cause discomfort.
>> So, on Fb I can screen out people who make these types of comment or make
>> tasteless attempts at humour and my enjoyment of communicating with fellow
>> birders has increased because I no longer fear I am going to be attacked.
>> If Birding-Aus had a strong commitment to banning abusive mail, and had a
>> place I could forward abusive mail that had been sent to me privately that
>> would see the sender banned, I would love to come back. I could even submit
>> a report of my latest 2 day 1600 km road dash to see the Paradise Shelduck
>> that would have included the contact details for accommodation at Culburra
>> and where the best food in town was.
>> cheers
>> Jenny
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