Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia marketing?

To: 'Denise Goodfellow' <>
Subject: Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia marketing?
From: "Carl Weber " <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 02:01:58 +0000

You are clearly doing a great job under difficulties, and having some

Good on you.

Carl Weber

-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of
Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2015 5:13 PM
To: Carl Clifford
Cc: birding-aus; Fred Mack; Tony Russell
Subject: Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia

Carl, as you might know (or at least suspect), the breaking of legs has been
a viable option in the Top End, and worse.  Last year friends and I formed a
small committee to fight a proposed workers’ camp here in the rural area,
one reason being that Partridge Pigeon habitat could be at risk.  The fellow
behind this proposal owned the hotel, not far from where we lived.  One
night a member went there for a quiet drink, or so he thought.  Somehow the
pub owner had found out that he was part of this committee, chased him to
his car, and dragging him out of the driver’s seat, threatened to cut him up
“for crab bait’.  Dave went to the police who confiscated this fellow’s gun
licence.  However I know from experience, that means little up here.

Few bodies in the Top End have shown particular interest in the biggest
threats to our native birds - weeds - most of which were brought in as
cattle pasture.  In part this is because the cattle industry has a lot of
clout, and opposed (and still opposes) the declaration of plants such as
Gamba, Olive Hymenachne, Para and Buffel grasses, as weeds.  Also grasses
look fairly innocuous to a lot of people, compared with cane toads.   When
the NT Government finally decided to act against Gamba, it was too late.
Where possible landowners tackle weeds, not just for the birds, but because
Gamba Grass in particular fuels dangerous fires.

I’ve found that one way of tackling threats to birds is through
organisations with some parallel interests, such as the CWA and local
volunteer fire services.  Our deputy fire chief has been controlling the
weeds on his property “because of the birds”.  Taking me aside a couple of
months ago, he told me with much delight, that Gouldian Finches had turned
up on his land.

Denise Lawungkurr  Goodfellow
PO Box 71
Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
043 8650 835

PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW.

Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia
Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International  Ecotourism Award,

With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent
becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian.

On 8 Dec 2015, at 1:47 pm, Carl Clifford <> wrote:

> You need to do a bit of research. I donate to the local primary school,
because I know that the money will go to things that will help the students,
likewise I donate to a privately run school in Cambodia, where I know the
guy running the project. There, I know there will be no misuse of the funds,
because he and I have an understanding. If he fiddles the money, I come over
and hire someone to break his legs. It is an understanding that has worked
well. Unfortunately it is not a viable option here.
> Carl Clifford
>> On 8 Dec 2015, at 2:38 PM, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>> And how do you identify those charities wherein even some of the donated
funds go to those in need and not mostly to the charity staff and management
?  I've stopped all my donations to charities and do gooder funds because of
this unknown, and because of the way they pester you interminably once they
get your address or phone number.
>> I did contribute modestly on line ( and therefore more unidentifiably) to
the recent bushfire relief funds, mainly because it was all so horrifying
and I wanted to help those who had suffered, but I could only assume,
hopefully correctly, that the banks did see to it that the money went where
it was needed in this case. I could be wrong though.  If it had been
possible I would have preferred to hand the money directly to the distraught
families, but that wasn't possible because the public were not  allowed into
the fireground in case we were looters or rubbernecks.
>> Tony.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf
Of Carl Clifford
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:36 PM
>> To: Fred Mack
>> Cc: 
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia
>> It looks like BLA has hired marketeers from the pester school of
marketing, whose technique seems to be based on the tenet that if they keep
on dunning you, you will donate, in the hope that they will go away.
Unfortunately, they don't, they just see a sucker and come in for more. I
have just changed ISP's and they are the same, ringing me 3-4 times a week,
usually at meal times, trying to sell me their mobile phone packages.
>> What worries me about this style of marketing by charities,such as BLA,
is the percentage of donations that are absorbed by marketing, in the form
of salaries, printing and postage etc. It has got to the point with
mainstream charities such as the Salvos, St Vinnies, that I no longer
donate, because I know that the majority of my donations will not go to whom
I am hoping to help. I only now donate to causes where I know my mony is
really going to make a difference.
>> Cheers,
>> Carl Clifford
>>> On 7 Dec 2015, at 10:09 PM, Fred Mack <> wrote:
>>> “With numbers down 84%...  how long before the Lesser Sand Plover is
>>> “This Silent Shorebirds Crisis can’t continue.”
>>> Silent crisis? seriously, it’s been at the forefront of ornithology for
10 years hasn't it… are BirdLife Australia just realizing this?.. and is
this actually true? Given these people have recently said in similar
marketing 90% of Australia’s woodlands have been cleared in the past few
decades, we need to protect private land for Mallee- Emu-wrens (they never
occured on private land as far as I know) and Magpies are going extinct, you
have to wonder?
>>> I’ve supported this organization in the past to the tune of tens of
thousands and all I get is constant negative doomsday marketing trying to
guilt me into things. They must send me a dozen a year. Add to that a
massive and insultingly invasive, “supporter survey” asking me everything
from my income to where live!
>>> These people do wonderful actual conservation and research work - I know
I help with much of it and they are great! but for god’s sake who is running
this organization these days?
>>> Is anyone else totally sick of them or is it just me?
>>> Frank.
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