"Heuglin's" Gull in Thailand

To: Stephen Murray <>
Subject: "Heuglin's" Gull in Thailand
From: Dave Torr <>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:49:45 +1100
Thanks Stephen for the info!

On 28 January 2014 16:32, Stephen Murray <> wrote:

> Hi Dave.
>   In Robson's "Birds of SE Asia" (2005 ed) there is a discussion of this.
> Where the birds in Thailand (winter visitors) were considered to be a paler
> subspecies Larus heuglini taimyrensis. However, Robson states that this may
> not be a valid taxon, and that the birds may be Heuglin's/Vega Gull
> hybrids.
> In other words true Heuglin's Gulls may not occur in the region (maybe this
> is where IOC is coming from). This view is also expressed in the Wikipedia
> entry for Heuglin's Gull. The situation seems a bit unclear.
> Cheers Steve Murray
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> Hi
> I wonder if anyone can help. Have just come back from a trip to Thailand
> (trip report to follow soon) and we saw a few gulls which our guide
> identified as Heuglin's. Working through my IOC database I see that the IOC
> only has Heuglin's as a ssp of Lesser Black-backed and does not have Lesser
> BB or any of its ssp in SE Asia at all. Clements appears to disagree. Can
> anyone shed any light on this (can probably provide photos if they will
> help) Thanks Dave _______________________________________________
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