Whether birders think the call should be released is an irrelevance. I can
assure you that John is not going to release the call and I don't think this
discussion will make him change his mind.
Regards
Alastair
On 05/07/2013, at 6:18 PM, Stewart Ford <> wrote:
Hi Mick, Mike, Bruce and others in the yes camp
John Young has produced the find of the century. His name is indelibly etched
into Australia's ornithological history.
He has discovered an immensely important tool for the conservation of this
species. It will enable government and private conservation agencies,
ornithologists, environmental consultants and other parties interested in
saving the species to finally determine presence, monitor and, importantly,
manage impacts to the parrot.
In the absence of this, those impacts continue unabated.
He should be lauded for the incredible personal investment he's made in
achieving this.
On 05/07/2013, at 15:19, Mick Roderick <> wrote:
> I totally agree with Mick,
>
> Every birder knows that calls are the key to cryptic species, and it comes as
> no surprise that this was the case with the Night Parrot. I just don't know
> what people think is going to happen if/when the call is released. Imagine it
> - you have the call of the Night Parrot on your phone, CD, cassette, whatever
> - then what?? You're still basically back at square one as far as locating
> birds is concerned.
>
> I challenge everyone who has the call of the Regent Honeyeater to go out and
> find one!
>
> Mick
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Todd <>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, 5 July 2013 2:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Why the Night Parrot call recording should not be
> made freely available.
>
>
> Hello Bob (and everyone else),
>
> I've read all the transcripts and I would say that there are good
> conservation reasons for releasing the call publicly. As long as the
> location of these particular parrots at the moment is kept under wraps, the
> calls being played elsewhere won't harm them, especially given a low
> likelihood of actual success. Maybe other locations can be located. So
> little is known about Night Parrots that the more locations they can be
> found at the better.
>
> Of course those calls have a high commercial value as well and as a
> consultant, John may want to hold out to see what government is willing to
> pay. I assume no one was paying for John's fuel costs while travelling all
> those thousands of kilometres.
>
> It sounds as though they respond well to the calls so this would make it an
> effective technique. One of the problems from a conservation perspective is
> that we don't know how long the parrots will stay in this area. If they are
> nomadic they could eventually leave- maybe never to return, when
> environmental conditions change. It is essential that the biologists
> involved (the Night Parrot network people I assume) collect as much
> information as possible while they can. Others excited about Night Parrots
> could look elsewhere armed with the call, and hopefully some basic habitat
> information so that they know where to look. Australia is a big place-
> there are plenty of places that could be searched.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing and seeing more about the night parrot in
> the future, like everyone else.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mick
>
> --
> Michael Todd, PhD
> Molesworth, Tasmania
> http://wildlifing.smugmug.com/
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-todd/2b/425/605
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