Australian Magpie

To: "'John Penhallurick'" <>
Subject: Australian Magpie
From: "Philip Veerman" <>
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:22:37 +1000
Hello John,

I doubt that that you were misunderstood. It is pretty clear. You might have
missed that some of us are not so serious and like to get carried away with
having fun with a topic. 

It was always obvious that taxonomically it was close to the Cracticus
Butcherbirds. As in I wonder what else would it be closest to? Beyond that,
the point I was making is that as all living things are related, it is still
a value judgement as to where to draw genus or other taxonomic dividing
lines. Being in the same or different genus in no way prescribes that the
group name or Common name show parallel connection. There are XXXXX finches
formally in many genera (and families), there are many species that are
distinctive enough to be given Common names quite different from names of
closely related species. The Magpie happens to be one of them, given a name
to suggest a similarity to something else superficially similar and only
distantly related.  The Australian Magpie is related to the European Magpie
to the extent of being a passerine.  The Australian Magpie is also related
to the European Carp to the extent of being a vertebrate and is slightly
closer related to us.  

If it is called Black and white piping crow-shrike or Ground Butcherbird, it
is still the same creature regardless. 


-----Original Message-----
 On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 4:38 PM
To: 'birding aus'
Subject: Australian Magpie

Hi all,

I suspect that my earlier email was misunderstood. I was NOT suggesting that
the name of Cracticus tibicen be changed to Austarlian Butcherbird.  I was
merely pointing out that taxonomically it was close to the Cracticus


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