Hi Sonja:
Yes, in larger cities like Tokyo and Osaka you will find a few birders who
know English common names, particularly sort-after species or common
species, or at least that will know the names of types of birds in English
such as spoonbill, plover, merganser, falcon, bunting, etc., from which you
can work out what species they are talking about. The good thing about
being in a popular birding location is that there should be at least one
person that either has some knowledge of English names or has a field guide
with both Japanese and English common names. However on most of my trips to
less visited locations, I have only rarely encountered someone familiar
with English names. In every case, though, Japanese birders have gone out
of their way to help even if language was a barrier! They are very
accommodating to visiting birders.
Cheers,
John
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sonja Ross <> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I did find in two large parks in Tokyo though that some Japanese birders
> knew Mandarin Duck, and Baikal Teal in English and tried to help us find
> them through signs and escorting us or pointing on a map. Pictures or a
> photo in camera even were a big help!
>
> Sonja
>
> On 14/04/2013, at 2:07 PM, John Wright wrote:
>
> > Hi all:
> >
> > As for Japanese birders, they normally use the Japanese common
> names....for
> > birds occurring in Japan, these are descriptive names but often are
> similar
> > to English common names when literally translated. For birds not
> occurring
> > in Japan, they usually use as close a literal translation as they can
> > convert the English common name (or scientific name) into. As for
> > capitalization, as there is no capitalization per se in the Japanese
> > language, it is a moot point. But most texts that write the Japanese
> common
> > name in "romaji" (romanized script) have either only the first word in
> the
> > name capitalized or there is no capitalization at all. Additionally, the
> > words in the "romanji" names are usually joined by hyphens, so there is
> no
> > second or third word to capitalize...
> >
> > Interestingly, though, Japanese use a script called "katakana" for
> writing
> > the proper names of animals and plants (many common species also have a
> > corresponding Chinese character ("kanji"), though most Japanese don't
> know
> > these and cannot write or read them). So in a sense, this use of katakana
> > could be considered to correspond to the use of capitalization in
> English.
> >
> > Most Japanese birders have little or no knowledge of English common
> names,
> > nor do they have much knowledge of the scientific names. This makes
> taking
> > a checklist that contains translations of the English common name into
> the
> > Japanese common name (and vice-versa!) on any Japanese birding trip a
> good
> > idea if you want to get local knowledge on what has been seen where!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Falk Wicker <
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> As far as German bird names go - I think all of them are capitalised and
> >> very often form only one word, e.g. Affenente (literally "Monkey Duck")
> for
> >> Freckled Duck. This is the more "classic" approach in German but this
> has
> >> changed over time which means that for some species exactly the same
> rules
> >> apply for in both English and German. Lesser Yellowlegs (Kleiner
> >> Gelbschenkel) is a good example.
> >> I'm definitely all for following the IOC's (capitalising) rules.
> >>
> >> Dave and Bob,
> >> Many if not all German birders I know will use the English bird names
> when
> >> travelling overseas or coming across unfamiliar species - for a couple
> of
> >> reasons.
> >> First of all it's much easier to communicate with other foreign birders.
> >> Also, most of the publishing is done in English, including site and
> field
> >> guides. It would be rather useless to study all of the names in German
> as
> >> well, unless you have a keen interest (like me).
> >>
> >> Interested discussion anyway. Would love to hear what other fellow
> >> foreigners have to say.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Falk
> >> On Apr 14, 2013 12:26 PM, "Dave Torr" <> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think most languages have their own names for at least the local
> birds
> >> -
> >>> so English name is perfectly accurate in Aus (and UK, USA etc) whereas
> >> the
> >>> common name for House Sparrow in French is "Moineau domestique" (see
> >>> http://ibc.lynxeds.com/species/house-sparrow-passer-domesticus).
> >>> Interesting that the "domestique" (=House) is not capitalised....
> >>>
> >>> On 14 April 2013 11:57, Robert Inglis <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In the name of pedanticism............
> >>>>
> >>>> There must be a better label than “English names”. Personally, I
> prefer
> >>>> “common names”.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or should we only capitalise/capitalize the English versions of bird
> >>>> common names?
> >>>>
> >>>> It would seem that some non-English speaking (as a ‘first’ language)
> >>>> birdwatchers also capitalise bird common names. For example my copy of
> >>>> “Robert’s Birds of Southern Africa” lists common names in a number of
> >>>> languages and they all capitalise the names. That is, to maintain the
> >>>> pedantic theme, except for the Zulu names which all start with one,
> two
> >>> or
> >>>> three lowercase letters immediately followed by what looks like the
> >>> actual
> >>>> name headed by an uppercase letter. I don’t speak or understand “Zulu”
> >> (I
> >>>> barely understand English these days and that is certainly often the
> >> case
> >>>> when it is written) so I can’t comment on that form of spelling and
> >>> format.
> >>>> Of course, that version of that field guide was published in 1984,
> >> before
> >>>> “texting” and “SMS” so it also has punctuation and the text uses
> >> complete
> >>>> words.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do, for example, German, Japanese, Spanish (but to name a few)
> >>>> birdwatchers refer to “English names in their everyday birding
> >>>> conversations?
> >>>>
> >>>> Just to make it clear, I always capitalise (but rarely capitalize)
> bird
> >>>> Common Names.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob Inglis
> >>>> Sandstone Point
> >>>> Qld
> >>>> Australia
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