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Freckled Ducks, Hunting and the Bigger Picture

To: Andrew Thelander <>, " net. au" <>
Subject: Freckled Ducks, Hunting and the Bigger Picture
From: Kim Sterelny <>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:30:08 +0000
Hi Andrew

Fair enough. I agree if there is a large number of animals that continue to 
suffer long after actually being fired upon, that is certainly important to the 
overall picture, and I accept that I should have said that. That said, given 
that factory farming is legal, it is hard to understand why cockfighting is 
illegal. I would guess that the extent to which a factory farmed bird suffers 
is surely far worse; a life that is never anything but miserable. 

Your overall point still stands, of course
Kim
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Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 9:30 PM
To:  net. au
Subject: Freckled Ducks, Hunting and the Bigger Picture

Hi folks

I agree that Nick's post was well written but I don't think he mentions the 
animal welfare aspect and this omission must come into play when discussing if 
the post is fully balanced. How many of the ducks we twitch on our wetlands are 
suffering with bullets and pellets embedded in their flesh? I remember reading 
some distressing statistics on this point many years ago. It's a point worth 
remembering and speaking about publicly. If cruelty to animals is okay in the 
sport of duck shooting, why do we prosecute people who organise cockfights? A 
vanquished rooster usually ends up in the pot, too ...

Andrew

On 27/03/2013, at 9:04 PM, Kim Sterelny wrote:

> Nick
>
> Likewise, I agree. I have always been impressed by just how much wetland 
> Ducks Unlimited preserve in the USA. I personally would utterly hate to shoot 
> a duck, and cannot understand how it could give someone pleasure. But we need 
> where at all possible to make common cause with those who also want to 
> preserve bush, wetlands, estuaries and the like from destructive development. 
> There is not enough of us. But none of this can work unless hoons and idiots 
> who want to shoot at everything are controlled, and the Victoria news is very 
> depressing in this respect
>
> Kim
> ________________________________________

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