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IOC 894 or 896

To: "'Mark Stanley'" <>, "'Dave Torr'" <>
Subject: IOC 894 or 896
From: "Tony Palliser" <>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:55:21 +1100
Hi Mark,
Generally speaking BARC does take it on board to review "the Literature" for
example the old Cocos (Keeling) record of Lesser Black-backed Gull is
currently circulating.  Some species are still to be submitted but I have no
doubt the day will come - Slaty-backed Gull springs to mind.  Additionally
some species end up on the supplementary list for considerable periods and
does in some part include those "awaiting a submission".  

Cheers,
Tony




-----Original Message-----
From: 
 On Behalf Of Mark Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013 10:16 AM
To: Dave Torr
Cc: 
Subject: IOC 894 or 896

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, does it make a noise?"; if
a bird is seen in Australia but it is not reported to  BARC is it on the
Australia list?  Both Lesser Black-backed Gull and Wigeon have been seen,
photographed and their provenance and identification extensively discussed
in this forum so is there any doubt that they will be on Australia list?
The BARC "under review" list includes an old LBB claim from the Cocos
Islands but not the recent Broome bird, nor the Wigeon.

What happens if nobody submits a record? This can easily come about if the
original observer is not that fussed/interested in going through the process
of making a submission and other viewers are reluctant to put in a
submission in case they could be viewed as "claiming" the record or do not
want to be involved in some controversial identification.

Given the fact that most significant rarities are likely to be discussed in
forums like this, perhaps BARC should take it upon itself to review "The
Literature" particularly on cases of species new to Australia. Some
acknowledgement of the original finder of the bird could then be included.
A "waiting submission" category might prompt birders to make a submission.

Cheers

Mark

On 20 March 2013 07:01, Dave Torr <> wrote:

> But are they accepted by BARC yet? It takes a while to get things 
> "officially" accepted
>
> On 19 March 2013 21:59, Mark Stanley <> wrote:
>
>> Jude & Tony,
>>
>> You may want to add Wigeon and Lesser Black-backed Gull to the list now.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:28:45 +1100
>> From: "Tony Palliser" <>
>> To: "'Jude Latt'" <>,  <>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893
>> Message-ID: <>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Jude,
>> It is a constant moving target these days - taxonomy is constantly 
>> changing and new species are still being added regularly.  I make the 
>> list 891 plus 3 newly added species accepted by BARC within the last 
>> couple of months
>> namely:   Japanese Sparrowhawk, Chinese Sparrowhawk and Mugimaki
>> Flycatcher
>> to make the total 894.   No doubt there will be more added in the not too
>> distant future also.
>>
>> Here is a link to a list prepared by David James which was updated
>> recently:
>>
>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/australian_checklist.xls
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 
>>  On Behalf Of Jude 
>> Latt
>> Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 5:43 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893
>>
>>
>> I am following the IOC Taxa and at this stage I have have 891 species 
>> recorded in my Birder's Diary for Australia.
>>
>> However, missing from my Taxa list is Eurasian Hobby or Eurasian 
>> Hoopoe which would increase my Taxa list by 2 ....  893 Australian
species.
>>
>>
>> Can someone please confirm out Aussie total now stands at 893 ?  
>> following the IOC
>>
>>
>> Jude
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