I guess there has to be some "authority" if people want to compare notes on
what they have seen - of course everyone is free to use whatever list they
like for Australia according to whatever taxonomy they choose! However - if
BARC is accepted as the arbiter of the Aussie list (and I don't know of any
other body who would do it) I guess we need to allow them to follow "due
process". May be a non event for the Wigeon as (as far as I know) there is
no doubt about it, but often claims are knocked back by BARC.
As to whether BARC can consider birds without a submission - that seems a
dangerous idea. The whole idea of a submission is to prove beyond doubt
that the bird should be accepted - I guess there will always be birds that
are claimed but no proof is offered (not that the Wigeon is in this
category of course)
On 20 March 2013 10:15, Mark Stanley <> wrote:
> "If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, does it make a noise?";
> if a bird is seen in Australia but it is not reported to BARC is it on the
> Australia list? Both Lesser Black-backed Gull and Wigeon have been seen,
> photographed and their provenance and identification extensively discussed
> in this forum so is there any doubt that they will be on Australia list?
> The BARC "under review" list includes an old LBB claim from the Cocos
> Islands but not the recent Broome bird, nor the Wigeon.
>
> What happens if nobody submits a record? This can easily come about if the
> original observer is not that fussed/interested in going through the
> process of making a submission and other viewers are reluctant to put in a
> submission in case they could be viewed as "claiming" the record or do not
> want to be involved in some controversial identification.
>
> Given the fact that most significant rarities are likely to be discussed
> in forums like this, perhaps BARC should take it upon itself to review "The
> Literature" particularly on cases of species new to Australia. Some
> acknowledgement of the original finder of the bird could then be
> included. A "waiting submission" category might prompt birders to make a
> submission.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> On 20 March 2013 07:01, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>
>> But are they accepted by BARC yet? It takes a while to get things
>> "officially" accepted
>>
>> On 19 March 2013 21:59, Mark Stanley <> wrote:
>>
>>> Jude & Tony,
>>>
>>> You may want to add Wigeon and Lesser Black-backed Gull to the list now.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:28:45 +1100
>>> From: "Tony Palliser" <>
>>> To: "'Jude Latt'" <>, <>
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893
>>> Message-ID: <>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Jude,
>>> It is a constant moving target these days - taxonomy is constantly
>>> changing
>>> and new species are still being added regularly. I make the list 891
>>> plus 3
>>> newly added species accepted by BARC within the last couple of months
>>> namely: Japanese Sparrowhawk, Chinese Sparrowhawk and Mugimaki
>>> Flycatcher
>>> to make the total 894. No doubt there will be more added in the not too
>>> distant future also.
>>>
>>> Here is a link to a list prepared by David James which was updated
>>> recently:
>>>
>>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/australian_checklist.xls
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> On Behalf Of Jude Latt
>>> Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 5:43 PM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893
>>>
>>>
>>> I am following the IOC Taxa and at this stage I have have 891 species
>>> recorded in my Birder's Diary for Australia.
>>>
>>> However, missing from my Taxa list is Eurasian Hobby or Eurasian Hoopoe
>>> which would increase my Taxa list by 2 .... 893 Australian species.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone please confirm out Aussie total now stands at 893 ?
>>> following
>>> the IOC
>>>
>>>
>>> Jude
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