future prospects for the environment

Subject: future prospects for the environment
From: Russ <>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:58:11 +1000
Hi everyone

Can I please remind everyone that part of engaging in a healthy debate is
to only ever attack the arguments, and NEVER the person making them. Some
interesting points so far in this discussion - and I haven't had time to
read it all thoroughly yet - but I thought I should warn everyone to be
careful about not making personal attacks, in ALL our posts, whatver the


Russell Woodford
Birding-Aus List Owner

On 23 August 2012 11:15, Richard King <> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I know I'm probably opening a huge can of worms and may get my arse kicked,
> but here we go.
> We often seem to get upset with governments (or other groups) who don't
> protect the environment and rightly so, and I do agree that most of the
> time
> much, much more can be done! I also see that all governments in Australia
> and worldwide are under huge pressures from citizens and other countries to
> provide resources and facilities (I in no way support hunting in parks or
> other areas). The real issue, especially now, is our ever increasing human
> population in Australia and again worldwide. A recent article I read, said
> that now the world population is increasing by about 200 new humans born
> each second (that's after human deaths per second are taken into account).
> We have already passed needing 1.6 planets to survive, totally
> unsustainable!
> Resources (mineral, water, food) are dwindling and any areas, including
> national parks, will have to be destroyed if it is necessary to get them.
> Every one of those new 6000+ humans (by the time you read this email) will
> need more new resources and facilities. Perth, I've heard last week is
> going
> to increase by at least 500 000 in the next ten years, a city that is
> already severely short of water, bad transport and the list goes on. We
> live
> in a desert continent, so for us in Australia, water, food and resources,
> not to mention providing all the facilities people want, is going to be a
> nightmarish problem!
> Sorry to sound so dark, but there does not seem to be any quick solution to
> these problems, the wonderful natural areas we love will have to be
> destroyed or at least modified and degraded. Our protected and loved
> natural
> areas can only exist if we have a 'comfortable' modern life, think of it,
> if
> Coles or Woolworths ran out of food, wouldn't you go hunt as much native
> wildlife as you can find, even in national parks, to provide food for
> yourself and family? I believe this is already happening on a subtle
> worldwide scale, resources are running out and the world is hungry, time to
> plunder what's left, unfortunately it's often in our 'protected' areas. It
> will only get worse and faster.
> Generally most people only care about the environment (if at all), when
> there bellies are full and other needs met. We are only able to spend time
> birding and enjoying the natural environment, because we don't have to
> spend
> all our time growing food and trying just to use the environment (eg.
> hunting birds) to survive.
> Over population is the real problem (look at the extinct civilization of
> Easter Island) for many of our environmental and other problems, but I'm
> not
> sure if we will deal with it or are even able to. How do you tell members
> of
> your own family to stop having more than 2 kids, or other families wanting
> to? How do you stop immigration or genuine refugees? The answer is you
> really can't (for moral, freedom of choice or other reasons), so the
> environment and our lifestyles will have to change and probably degrade.
> Sadly, I think the 'big crunch' for humanity will come (fairly soon and
> very
> rapidly) and the last remaining natural environments will be the first to
> go.
> Regards (I won't say cheers),
> Richard King
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