I believe BARC has recently adopted the IOC taxonomy, and so Tristan Albatross
records would be considered now (there are several Chatham Albatross and
Atlantic Yellow-nosed Albatross records now listed as under review). But that's
only a recent thing John
> From:
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> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Which Wandering Albatross?
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 01:30:20 +0000
>
> So true for ID. Note that BARC is irrelevant to albatrosses.
>
> Cheers
>
> Harry Battam
> BE, PhD
> Institute for Conservation and Environmental Management
> University of Wollongong
> Wollongong, NSW, Australia 2522
> Mobile +61 429 887 883
>
> ________________________________________
> From:
> on behalf of Nikolas Haass
>
> Sent: 04 April 2012 09:40
> To: Ashwin Rudder; John Graff; birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Which Wandering Albatross?
>
> To my knowledge it is also very difficult to ID Tristan in the hand. I have
> personally seen two interesting candidates (both caught and measured by
> SOSSA), but we did not get to a definite ID. As far as I know there is not a
> single record of a Tristan Albatross accepted by BARC. Correct me if I am
> wrong.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nikolas
>
>
> ----------------
> Nikolas Haass
>
> Sydney, NSW
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ashwin Rudder <>
> To: John Graff <>; birding-aus <>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 10:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Which Wandering Albatross?
>
> Thanks John and Henry for the replies about the occurrence of Tristan's
> Albatross in Aus waters. It seems that the difficulty in ID-ing them makes
> them not really worth considering unless you can get them in the hand.
>
> Cheers,
> Ashwin
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 7:24 PM, John Graff <> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ashwin,
> >
> > I think Tristan is pretty rarely recorded with certainty in Australian
> > waters, but the ID difficulties make it difficult to know for certain. It's
> > interesting to note though that satellite tracking data shows
> > that non-breeders do reach the south coast of WA - see the Tristan
> > Albatross factsheet at ACAP http://www.acap.aq/acap-species
> >
> > John
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:24:43 +1100
> > > From:
> > > To:
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Which Wandering Albatross?
> > >
> > > Thanks to all those that have replied :)
> > >
> > > The general consensus was that these birds (both in general, and the two
> > I
> > > asked about) are incredibly difficult to identify with certainty. Those
> > who
> > > replied were fairly happy to call the first bird a Gibson's, while the
> > > second attracted a fairly even split between exulans and gibsoni.
> > >
> > > I originally dismissed Tristan's (dabbenena) straight out on the basis of
> > > distribution, however a few people made reference to them. How often are
> > > they recorded in Australia's waters?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ashwin
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Henry Battam <>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ashwin
> > > >
> > > > Individual 1 has brown plumage and a definite forehead. It is most
> > likely
> > > > D. gibsoni, but could be (less likely) D. dabbenena.
> > > > Individual 2 has 3 generations of plumage. However the youngest
> > > > generation is slate-coloured, and this bird has no distinct forehead,
> > > > characteristics of D. exulans
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Harry Battam
> > > > Institute for Conservation and Environmental Management
> > > > University of Wollongong
> > > > Wollongong, NSW, Australia 2522
> > > > Mobile +61 429 887 883
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > From: [
> > > > on behalf of Ashwin Rudder [
> > > >
> > > > Sent: 27 March 2012 21:05
> > > > To: birding-aus
> > > > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Which Wandering Albatross?
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like a hand identifying these two Wandering Albatross to species
> > (or
> > > > subspecies depending on your taxonomy beliefs) level, if it's
> > possible. At
> > > > the moment I'm struggling to split between gibsoni and exulans, and
> > thought
> > > > I'd throw the pics out to some experts to get some more opinions. I
> > have
> > > > more photos/bigger crops of both individuals.
> > > >
> > > > The photos were taken mid January 2012, off Lord Howe Island.
> > > > Images 1-3 show the first bird
> > > > Images 4 and 5 show the second bird, which I neglected to get good
> > shots
> > > > of...
> > > > Images 6 and 7 show both birds, with the first bird on the
> > right-hand-side
> > > > in both pics.
> > > > (This information is included in the captions)
> > > >
> > > > The images can be viewed here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://picasaweb.google.com/noisypitta/Albatross?authuser=0&feat=directlink
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts would be appreciated :)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ashwin
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