Tax Stuff... Again.. was - Scarlet Myzomela

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Subject: Tax Stuff... Again.. was - Scarlet Myzomela
From: "Steve Potter" <>
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:42:42 +1030
Hi Peter and Carl.


Why the decision to use Clements and not IOC. I am new to all this stuff. I
still can't bring myself to call a Yellow and Blue Rosella "Crimson"


Steve Potter


Scarlet Myzomela

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Scarlet Myzomela


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Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:52:06 +1100




Tell me about it. I am finishing off the "irregularities" that popped up
when I transferred my sightings from Bento, in which I had used the IOC list
and C&B and proper English spellings, into Birdbrain, which is Clements
based. Oh what fun I have had! Not only are there the examples you cite, but
others such as Pacific Reef Heron ( I thought being in the genus Egretta
might have given them a clue there) and one that particularly gets up my
nose, Pink Bl***y Cockatoo for Major Mitchell Cockatoo. This I find a gross
insult, not only to the memory of Major Mitchell but to the people of
Australia. This is apparently accepted by BA. 


In the overview to the latest updates to Clements on the Cornell Lab
website, it is mentioned that as they have finished with the North and South
American and Australian checklists, they will be looking at other regions
including Asia. That should be interesting. 


I think I will have to lash out and buy a copy of FileMaker and make my own
database using my own preferred nomenclature and bugger the rest. 

Carl Clifford

P.S. Anyone want a hardly used copy of Clements? Only a few tear stains on

On 01/04/2011, at 10:34 AM, Peter Waanders wrote:
Hi Carl,

There's lots of this sort of stuff with Clements - for starters, all Grey
birds are Gray. Then there's the Rufous Night-heron, Black- breasted Kite
(not Buzzard), Australian (not Black-shouldered) Kite, Thick-knees not
Stone-curlews, Red-headed and Scarlet Myzomela (not Honeyeater) and probably
more. As you well know there's pros and cons with each global checklist, but
Clements appears to remain the most widely used list despite some of its
peculiarities. One of the main criticisms of Clements has long been that
they seem to have paid undue respect to nomenclature / taxonomy changes in
checklists put forward by regional authorities (such as BA), and it seems
that they've now finally taken this on board, which should be applauded. We
can only hope that future updates continue this trend. Nevertheless, note
that they state on their website 'where necessary the final decisions on
taxonomy and nomenclature are made by the Clements Checklist team'. 

Peter Waanders
Southern Birding Services
PO Box 420, Waikerie SA 5330  Australia
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