You would also have thought that before a photo could win anything it
would have to be correctly labelled.
John Leonard
On 12 November 2010 12:15, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
> Hi Jen,
>
> I also was up at Bowra when the Restless F-c chicks hatched. I was taking
> shots from the steps of the quarters, when one of the photographers there
> said I should climb up the tree "so I could get a good shot". I replied that
> the birds were being disturbed too much anyway. The photographer replied "
> what's the problem? The birds are probably going to be eaten by something
> anyway" I walked away before said photographer would have had to bend over
> to take any further photographs. Shortly after that, signs were placed in
> the quarters giving rules for photographing birds, but they seemed to make
> no difference to the behaviour of certain individuals.
>
> I find it rather bizarre that Camera clubs have a code of ethics for the
> production of the images, but not for how the images were obtained.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 12/11/2010, at 11:24 AM, jenny spry wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think some things have changed with the introduction of DSLR cameras and
> are being overlooked in this discussion. Without detracting from the concern
> that "some bird watchers" threaten the security of their target bird, the
> matter has become much wider.
>
> For example, the photographers harassing the flycatchers at Bowra earlier
> this year were not "birdwatchers", they were "photographers". All they
> wanted were top images of birds for entry into photographic competitions.
>
> I met them there but left the day after they arrived so missed the damage
> they supposedly did. I do know however that they were very excited to have
> the opportunity to photograph "Leaden Flycatchers" at the nest. They knew
> they were "Leadens" and not Restless because one "had rusty orange on the
> breast". They had checked their field guide and I could not persuade them
> otherwise.
>
> I ate my dinner with one of the photographers in the shearers shed and he
> was telling me all about his camera club and what the rules were about the
> images eg no digital manipulation, the images had to be as they were taken,
> hence the need for no branches obstructing the view etc. Photoshopped images
> could not be used in their competitions. And some of the photos were
> exquisite, even if the bird was misnamed.
>
> It is still the minority giving the rest a bad name but they are no longer
> all "birdwatchers", "bird photgraphers" have now joined the "birding"
> fraternity.
>
> cheers
>
> Jen
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Carl Clifford <>
> wrote:
> David,
>
> If you read through the posts on Birding-Aus with an open mind, you will
> find that the apparently anti-photographer postings are about a minority who
> are giving the rest a bad name.
>
> I have seen some utter bastardry carried out by photographers over the
> years. One incident in Malaysia I saw a photographer (a non-Malaysian)
> cutting away the vegetation obscuring the view of a Black-naped Monarch on
> its nest. The poor bird was hysterical, but bravely stuck to his nest. I
> have seen similar acts carried out here in Australia.
>
> Well behaved photographers should, instead of protesting in high dudgeon,
> should perhaps look at cleaning out those photographers who are giving them
> a bad name rather than mounting broadsides at birders, otherwise the
> non-photographers will only start to think, to paraphrase Shakespeare, " The
> photographers doth protest too much, methinks" .
>
> I also photograph birds, having spent some $15k over the last few years. I
> don't stalk birds to photograph them though. I use camouflage and wait for
> them to come to me (and, no, I do not use calls or bait.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 12/11/2010, at 1:16 AM, david taylor wrote:
>
>
>
> Its seems to me that on a site like birding-aus there would now be very many
> birders who photograph birds, and in my opinion barbs at bird photographers
> as a group achieves very little. As in all things in life there will be
> isolated incidents of concern which we should all learn from, but
> personally i think that the contribution of photographers ( whether am or
> pro) over recent years has been generally nothing short of amazing, and has
> presented wonderful images and information on birds and highlighted birds
> and birding in ways we could not have imagined just a few years ago.
>
> cheers
>
> David Taylor
>
>
>
> On 11/11/2010, at 12:04 PM, wrote:
>
>
> "Both nests had been the focus of attention of
> photographers, as visible from the trampling of vegetation"
>
> Do you know something that was not in the text Carl?
>
> It seems it is just not journalists that put 1 & 1 together to make 3 ;-).
>
> However chances are we will marvel at some wonderful close-up footage by
> David Attenborough & his professional mates on a Sunday night in the
> future.
> "How do they get those shots?"
> All the while maintaining the divisions; Twitcher good, Professional
> photographer good, Amateur photographer bad..
>
> Chris Charles
>
>
> On Thu Nov 11 8:09 , Carl Clifford sent:
>
> Another case of bird photographers behaving badly.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Stanley Moore <>
> Date: 11 November 2010 11:00:24 AM
> To:
> Subject: [Raptor_conservation] photographers threaten endangered Hen
> Harriers in Holland
> Reply-To:
>
>
>
>
> Notes: photographers threaten endangered Hen Harriers in Holland
>
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> FN ISI Export Format
> VR 1.0
> PT J
> AN ZOOR14611079940
> DT Article
> TI Disturbances at nests of hen harriers Circus cyaneus.
> FT Nestverstoringen bij Blauwe Kiekendieven Circus cyaneus.
> AU de Boer, Peter
> SO Takkeling
> VL 18
> IS 2
> PS 105-107
> PY 2010
> LA Dutch
> ME Print
> AB The Hen Harrier is a rare breeding bird in The Netherlands, nearing
> its extinction rapidly. Only 19 pairs were recorded in 2009, of which
> 17 on the Wadden Sea Islands; this is just 15% of the numbers
> registered in 1994. On the island of Terschelling, two nests were
> disturbed in 2009. Both nests had been the focus of attention of
> photographers, as visible from the trampling of vegetation and the
> creation of clearly visible paths to the nest. One of these nests is
> supposed to have been raided for commercial purposes (chicks
> removed),
> at the other nest one of the chicks was found nearby, deliberately
> trampled to death. Both nests may have been easier to find by people
> with bad intentions because of the behaviour of photographers. Codes
> of conduct for photographers are now available from several
> organisations, and disturbances are therefore unnecessary.
> C1 de Boer, Peter; Keerweer 23, 6862 CD Oosterbeek, Netherlands
> EM
> SN 1380-3735
> BD Animals and man; Conservation; Techniques; Behavioural techniques;
> Ecology; Population dynamics; Land zones; Palaearctic region;
> Eurasia;
> Europe
> DE Circus cyaneus [Disturbance by man / Nest destruction / ] [Endangered
> status / / ] [Observation techniques / / ] [Population dynamics /
> Local extinction / ] [Population size / Breeding population size / ]
> [Netherlands / / ].
> TN Birds; Chordates; Vertebrates
> ST Animalia, Chordata, Vertebrata, Aves, Falconiformes, Accipitridae
> OR Circus cyaneus (Accipitridae).
> UT ZOOREC:ZOOR14611079940
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