Hi all,
I think some things have changed with the introduction of DSLR cameras and
are being overlooked in this discussion. Without detracting from the concern
that "some bird watchers" threaten the security of their target bird, the
matter has become much wider.
For example, the photographers harassing the flycatchers at Bowra earlier
this year were not "birdwatchers", they were "photographers". All they
wanted were top images of birds for entry into photographic competitions.
I met them there but left the day after they arrived so missed the damage
they supposedly did. I do know however that they were very excited to have
the opportunity to photograph "Leaden Flycatchers" at the nest. They knew
they were "Leadens" and not Restless because one "had rusty orange on the
breast". They had checked their field guide and I could not persuade them
otherwise.
I ate my dinner with one of the photographers in the shearers shed and he
was telling me all about his camera club and what the rules were about the
images eg no digital manipulation, the images had to be as they were taken,
hence the need for no branches obstructing the view etc. Photoshopped images
could not be used in their competitions. And some of the photos were
exquisite, even if the bird was misnamed.
It is still the minority giving the rest a bad name but they are no longer
all "birdwatchers", "bird photgraphers" have now joined the "birding"
fraternity.
cheers
Jen
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Carl Clifford <>wrote:
> David,
>
> If you read through the posts on Birding-Aus with an open mind, you will
> find that the apparently anti-photographer postings are about a minority who
> are giving the rest a bad name.
>
> I have seen some utter bastardry carried out by photographers over the
> years. One incident in Malaysia I saw a photographer (a non-Malaysian)
> cutting away the vegetation obscuring the view of a Black-naped Monarch on
> its nest. The poor bird was hysterical, but bravely stuck to his nest. I
> have seen similar acts carried out here in Australia.
>
> Well behaved photographers should, instead of protesting in high dudgeon,
> should perhaps look at cleaning out those photographers who are giving them
> a bad name rather than mounting broadsides at birders, otherwise the
> non-photographers will only start to think, to paraphrase Shakespeare, " The
> photographers doth protest too much, methinks" .
>
> I also photograph birds, having spent some $15k over the last few years. I
> don't stalk birds to photograph them though. I use camouflage and wait for
> them to come to me (and, no, I do not use calls or bait.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 12/11/2010, at 1:16 AM, david taylor wrote:
>
>
>
> Its seems to me that on a site like birding-aus there would now be very
> many birders who photograph birds, and in my opinion barbs at bird
> photographers as a group achieves very little. As in all things in life
> there will be isolated incidents of concern which we should all learn
> from, but personally i think that the contribution of photographers (
> whether am or pro) over recent years has been generally nothing short of
> amazing, and has presented wonderful images and information on birds and
> highlighted birds and birding in ways we could not have imagined just a few
> years ago.
>
> cheers
>
> David Taylor
>
>
>
> On 11/11/2010, at 12:04 PM, wrote:
>
>
>> "Both nests had been the focus of attention of
>> photographers, as visible from the trampling of vegetation"
>>
>> Do you know something that was not in the text Carl?
>>
>> It seems it is just not journalists that put 1 & 1 together to make 3 ;-).
>>
>> However chances are we will marvel at some wonderful close-up footage by
>> David Attenborough & his professional mates on a Sunday night in the
>> future.
>> "How do they get those shots?"
>> All the while maintaining the divisions; Twitcher good, Professional
>> photographer good, Amateur photographer bad..
>>
>> Chris Charles
>>
>>
>> On Thu Nov 11 8:09 , Carl Clifford sent:
>>
>> Another case of bird photographers behaving badly.
>>
>> Carl Clifford
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Stanley Moore <>
>> Date: 11 November 2010 11:00:24 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: [Raptor_conservation] photographers threaten endangered Hen
>> Harriers in Holland
>> Reply-To:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes: photographers threaten endangered Hen Harriers in Holland
>>
>> ============================================================
>> FN ISI Export Format
>> VR 1.0
>> PT J
>> AN ZOOR14611079940
>> DT Article
>> TI Disturbances at nests of hen harriers Circus cyaneus.
>> FT Nestverstoringen bij Blauwe Kiekendieven Circus cyaneus.
>> AU de Boer, Peter
>> SO Takkeling
>> VL 18
>> IS 2
>> PS 105-107
>> PY 2010
>> LA Dutch
>> ME Print
>> AB The Hen Harrier is a rare breeding bird in The Netherlands, nearing
>> its extinction rapidly. Only 19 pairs were recorded in 2009, of which
>> 17 on the Wadden Sea Islands; this is just 15% of the numbers
>> registered in 1994. On the island of Terschelling, two nests were
>> disturbed in 2009. Both nests had been the focus of attention of
>> photographers, as visible from the trampling of vegetation and the
>> creation of clearly visible paths to the nest. One of these nests is
>> supposed to have been raided for commercial purposes (chicks
>> removed),
>> at the other nest one of the chicks was found nearby, deliberately
>> trampled to death. Both nests may have been easier to find by people
>> with bad intentions because of the behaviour of photographers. Codes
>> of conduct for photographers are now available from several
>> organisations, and disturbances are therefore unnecessary.
>> C1 de Boer, Peter; Keerweer 23, 6862 CD Oosterbeek, Netherlands
>> EM
>> SN 1380-3735
>> BD Animals and man; Conservation; Techniques; Behavioural techniques;
>> Ecology; Population dynamics; Land zones; Palaearctic region;
>> Eurasia;
>> Europe
>> DE Circus cyaneus [Disturbance by man / Nest destruction / ] [Endangered
>> status / / ] [Observation techniques / / ] [Population dynamics /
>> Local extinction / ] [Population size / Breeding population size / ]
>> [Netherlands / / ].
>> TN Birds; Chordates; Vertebrates
>> ST Animalia, Chordata, Vertebrata, Aves, Falconiformes, Accipitridae
>> OR Circus cyaneus (Accipitridae).
>> UT ZOOREC:ZOOR14611079940
>> ER
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>> EF
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