Do you mean "not to accept"?
I would agree except that as far as I know both organisations promote the
C&B list as their standard.
Should BA and BOCA merge then the current plan would have them affiliated
with Birdlife International, who maintain their own International list (
http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/species/taxonomy.html). A (very) quick
search appears to show that they do not accept the White-naped split!
On 31 October 2010 12:24, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
> Jen,
>
> Thalassarche carteri is accepted by ION as a species, so there is no reason
> for BA / BOCA to accept it as a species.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
>
> On 31/10/2010, at 11:22 AM, jenny spry wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Following on from Dave’s comments, by default, we are already starting to
> use international lists for Australian purposes.
>
>
>
> For example, BOCA and Birds Australia are currently participating in the
> Birdlife International “Important Bird Area” project (IBA). This is an
> international project where many countries around the world have declared
> certain areas “important” for the protection of “threatened species”. These
> areas are selected to protect habitat for birds listed on the IUCN Red List
> of Endangered Species. Australia has accepted the IUCN Red list and has
> selected IBAs based on birds that are included on the IUCN Red list.
>
>
>
> In most cases this is fine, but not always. Just to illustrate the
> potential/actual conflicts, the IUCN recognizes the Indian Yellow-nosed
> Albatross (*Thalassarche carteri* ) as a threatened species, not a race.
> Races, threatened or otherwise, are not included in the IBA project, only
> species. This means that for our international participation with the IBA
> project, Birds Australia / BOCA treat *Thalassarche carteri* as a species
> but for local Australian purposes, using C & B 2008, *Thalassarche
> carteri*is classified as a race of
> *Thalassarche chlororhynchos*, not a full species.
>
>
>
> Now, I agree that the Alboatross/Mollymawk group is a very contentious
> group
> but this example is just one and the situation could apply to other
> Australian species both currently on, or eligible for listing with, the
> IUCN
> Red list.
>
>
>
> Perhaps a solution is for BA/BOCA to constitute a group of people, along
> the
> lines of BARC (possibly including C & B if they are interested), to assess
> proposed changes as they arise. These changes could then be adopted as
> updates to C & B 2008, without the need to totally rewrite the one list
> every ten years or so.
>
>
>
> Also, if there is any scientific / popular wish to keep using an Australian
> generated list, and I think there is especially in the selection of Common
> Names, then I believe our Australian generated list needs to be maintained
> before our international obligations send us to an internationally
> generated
> and maintained list, by default. For an example of this problem, in general
> communications here and elsewhere, *Melithreptus chloropsis* is already
> attracting two common names, Western White-naped Honeyeater and Swan River
> White-naped Honeyeater.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Jen
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dave Torr <> wrote:
>
> Perhaps it is time for Australia to accept one of the International
>> taxonomies as our "official" (whatever that means) scheme. C&B will be
>> come
>> increasingly out of date as the rest of the world splits our species.
>> BARC clearly is an arbiter of "vagrants" and this is a totally separate
>> process from the taxonomy used.
>>
>> On 30 October 2010 22:49, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Colin
>>> Melithreptus chloropsis is listed as a full species on the ION (Index of
>>> Organism Names) database, so it must be kosher. The ION is the
>>>
>> international
>>
>>> arbiter of Zoological and Mycological species and it is up to them to
>>>
>> decide
>>
>>> if a species stands or not.
>>>
>>> I don't think there will be another edition of C&B, I think 2 editions
>>>
>> was
>>
>>> enough for them. It will probably be up to other authors to take up the
>>> challenge. Perhaps it will appear in a new edition of HANZAB, but I don't
>>> think that will happen in the little tenure I have left on life.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Carl Clifford
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30/10/2010, at 9:24 PM, Colin Scouler wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello birders.
>>>
>>> So, is the Swan River (or Western) Honeyeater now an official tick?
>>>
>>> What's the procedure in between editions of Christidis and Boles?
>>>
>>> Is this a matter for BARC to buy into?
>>>
>>> Colin Scouler.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: "Wedderburn Birding" <>
>>>
>>>> Date: 30 October 2010 12:44:37 PM
>>>> To: "'BIRDING-AUS'" <>, <
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] White-naped Honeyeater Split
>>>>
>>>> Following previous discussion on Birding-Aus on the possible split, the
>>>> latest IOC list v 2.6 has split the White-naped Honeyeater (Melithreptus
>>>> lunatus) into the Swan River Honeyeater (Melithreptus chloropsis), which
>>>> occurs in SW Western Australia (N to Swan River Plain and Wheatbelt in
>>>>
>>> W).
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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