Jabiru ust isn't ours to take

To: Alistair McKeough <>
Subject: Jabiru ust isn't ours to take
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:47:19 +1100
No problem Alistair. No offence meant and none taken.


Carl Clifford

On 19/11/2009, at 6:29 PM, Alistair McKeough wrote:

Aplogies Carl - I over-reacted. I just found the implication that
using a bird's name followed on from  a path of murder and cultural
destruction in the same vein a bit offensive - On reflection I see you
didn't mean it that way.

On 11/19/09, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
You are? Ah well, if you choose to interpret it that way. I would be
interested to hear from any other members if they think I have mounted
a personal attack on you in particular or anyone else in general.


Carl Clifford

On 19/11/2009, at 4:36 PM, Alistair McKeough wrote:

Yay, you like the name and you're equated to a genocidal monster.

2009/11/19 Carl Clifford <>
Dear All,

The name Jabiru was recorded as the name for the Central-South
American stork in the mid 1600s and as the bird belongs to the genus
Jabiru, I reckon it has prior claim to the name. The Australian stork
in question was given the name Jabiru because it was mistaken for the
American bird. Jabiru is not even an Australian Aboriginal name, it
comes from the language of the Tupi people of coastal Brazil.
Europeans stole their land, murdered them, enslaved them and nearly
exterminated them. I don't think we should add further insult by
misappropriating one of their bird names, just because some people
here like the sound of it.

Common names for birds are in enough a mess as it is, without people
wanting to retain wrong names just because they like the sound of them.


Carl Clifford

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