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Albatross taxonomy

To: "Baus" <>
Subject: Albatross taxonomy
From: "Graham Turner" <>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:56:10 +1000
The problem, as I see it, is this. there is no standard way of defining a species using genetic analysis. There is no way of differentiating between the genetic variation within a species to then be able to draw a line and say that on one side of the line is one species and the other side is a different species.

And as for visuals, the ways genes are expressed in physical form is different from having different genetics. There are plenty of examples where there are different looking individuals within the one species. If you think birds are hard think again, try googling Crinia Signifera, the commonest frog in Sydney, they were once described as separate species based on how they looked but have now been shown to be the same species, and the opposite end of the scale some frog species were lumped because of how they looked (Litoria spp), but had different calls and have since been split. I think what I'm saying is that just because it looks different (or the same!) does not mean that it is different (or the same).

And then there is speciation, which comes back to my original point. At what stage does a diverging population of one species become a separate species. Sure they look different and maybe breed on different island but does that make them new species. Like I said there is no standard amount of genetic difference that defines a species. Without this it is simply not possible to define where one species ends and the next begins.

And then it comes back to whether you follow the biological species concept (BSC) or the phylogenetic species concept (PSC). Put simply BSC says that if they interbreed and produce viable off-spring then they are a species, PSC says that the genetic difference between individuals is how a species is defined (but without defining the difference needed to separate species).

Most twitchers seem to prefer the PSC as it tends to split rather than lump, though this is not always the case.

Or at least this is my understanding.

Graham Turner





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