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Painted Finch

To: "'Graeme Stevens'" <>
Subject: Painted Finch
From: "Kurtis Lindsay" <>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:22:32 +1000
Hi all,

I agree with the others, why is it necessary to check nest contents? 
Unless you are conducting an official study on breeding or behaviour it is
completely unnecessary to look in or touch nests. Gone are the days when
bird photographers were obliged to take nest shots in order to be able to
sell their photos.
When ever I even accidently set foot near nesting birds I'm always worried
that I may be disturbing them so I distance myself as far away as possible,
I thought this was a common thought to all birders but obviously not. 

In relation to whether the nest was predated or not, it is hard to say but
human disturbance is known to increase predation or abandonment of nests.
Then comes the possibility that robbers did steal the eggs or chicks, though
an unlikely one due to the commonness of this species in captivity (as I
said on an earlier thread, a breeding pair can be purchased for as little as
$20). Also to take into consideration like Chris suggested, this is a
roadside rest site so obviously non-birders use it as well, hence there
could be a chance that the campsite and the nest destruction may have been
caused by non birders (if it actually was destroyed by people) or even a pet
dog.
Is there any way a culprit could be determined by the way the nest has been
destroyed? Different predators have different feeding techniques e.g a dog
or a pig will destroy a whole nest but a bird may simply pry the young out
and you would think a robber would simply take the young out without
damaging the nest in hope that the pair would nest again for future
pickings.

After further discussion and research I ended up agreeing that this pair of
finches was most likely a natural, wild pair but even if they weren't it
doesn't mean that the nest had to be destroyed or disturbed.
And if they don't hang around, now I'm going to have to wait until I get up
north see them. 
What a shame.

Regards,

Kurtis Lindsay


 

-----Original Message-----
From: 
 On Behalf Of Graeme Stevens
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:42 PM
To: kbrandwood
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Subject: Painted Finch


I absolutely agree Keith - naming and shaming is important particularly if
it was an organised tour group. People need to know who NOT to patronise in
future.
Very sad incident overall and I thought we were past that type of behaviour
given the ethics work through the Bird Clubs and general enlightenment!
Examing contents! --- yee gods -- dont people understand the increased risk
of desertion and predation!
Just appalling
Graeme Stevens> From: > To: >
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:09:11 +1000> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Painted Finch>
> Hello everyone, I don't think anyone should be reporting where any bird is
nesting on this forum. Not only does it go against the ethics of most bird
clubs I would think it also allows the sort of behaviour we have wittinesses
at this site. If you are going to report a nest site you should not give out
the exact details on this forum full stop. The birders who were camped close
to the nest site as reported should be named and shamed in my opinion.> > >
keith b the beautiful Hawkesbury 60km N/W of Sydney>
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