And that should definitely read Butcherbird - I have no proof it was the female!
Sorry about that - I'll plead fuzzy head syndrome - at home fighting bronchial
pneumonia.> From: > To: ;
> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Painted Finch> Date: Fri, 19
Sep 2008 14:54:35 +1000> CC: > > > Fair point Peter,>
And I am only reacting to the advice of others.> However if the incident gives
us all pause to consider appropriate birding ethics then I'll "maintain the
rage". Some thoughs without wishing to prolong the agony:> > In my youth it was
disgust at top photographers clearing around nests to get a good shot and being
surprised when the Butcherbird came over their shoulder and snatched the
nestlings out of the nest without a pause. Birding NSW eventually disallowed
"bird at nest" from photographic competitions in recognition of the danger.> >
"Examination of contents" was common as opportunities for photography were best
at a nest with fresh young. The rate of nest desertion in small passerines was
alarming after this procedure, convincing me that our smell can easily linger
and alarm birds, It probably also attracts predators that are also able to
observe human activity carefully. > > If this site was near a rest area you
could almost guarantee the presence of Bitcherbird, Raven or Kookaburra
thoroughly relaxed about humans, monitoring their activity and waituing for a
morsel to appear. You'd have to be pretty raw not to expect someone to be
watching the birders watching! As a colleague on this post said, that's what
bins are for.> > Recently I came across a "name birder" and guide driving a
Noisy Pitta into an absolute frenzy with high volume playback to get a sighting
for clients. The poor bird was zooming around in the treetops much to my
astonishment - very typical behaviour for a Pitta (not). Still I suppose it
created a tick and justified the fee. Did I object on the day as I passed? No
and I feel a bit guilty about that.> > The success of our
hobby/passion/occupation. the speed of communication and the increasing
professional involvement from guides etc (which I applaud) necessarily requires
us all to expect, nay demand appropriate behaviour.> > If Keith's suggestion
needs to be invoked then so be it. > Graeme Stevens> > > Subject: RE:
[Birding-Aus] Painted Finch> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:20:20 +1000> From:
> To: ; > CC:
> > Do we know that these people "examined the
contents" in an invasive way?> It appears they knew there were chicks, but
perhaps they could see their> heads, or only heard them, or just saw the
parents bringing food. And> once the chicks start making a bit of noise, isn't
that the most likely> time for a predator to find them? It could easily be just
a coincidence> that they were there when it happened.> > And 40m sounds close,
but it isn't exactly on top of them.> > I'm not saying these people did or
didn't cause the problem, only that> it isn't a certainty.> > Peter Shute > > >
wrote on Friday, 19 September 2008> 1:42 PM:>
> > I absolutely agree Keith - naming and shaming is important> > particularly
if it was an organised tour group. People need> > to know who NOT to patronise
in future.> > Very sad incident overall and I thought we were past that> > type
of behaviour given the ethics work through the Bird> > Clubs and general
enlightenment!> > Examing contents! --- yee gods -- dont people understand the>
> increased risk of desertion and predation!> > Just appalling> > Graeme
Stevens> From: > To:> > > Date:
Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:09:11> > +1000> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Painted Finch> >
Hello> > everyone, I don't think anyone should be reporting where any> > bird
is nesting on this forum. Not only does it go against> > the ethics of most
bird clubs I would think it also allows> > the sort of behaviour we have
wittinesses at this site. If> > you are going to report a nest site you should
not give out> > the exact details on this forum full stop. The birders who> >
were camped close to the nest site as reported should be> > named and shamed in
my opinion.> > > keith b the beautiful> > Hawkesbury 60km N/W of Sydney>
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