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Cooktown Gull discussion

To: Lisa Hug <>,
Subject: Cooktown Gull discussion
From: Nikolas Haass <>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:14:49 -0800 (PST)
Lisa,

Thanks for your comments! I would rule out American Herring Gull for the 
following reasons:
I do agree that especially populations that show up at the mid-Atlantic coast 
in late winter show a tail pattern similar to the Cooktown bird. However, 
typically first-cycle American HG appear very dark: the underparts of a 
first-cycle American HG are typically uniformly brown and not as splotchy as in 
the Cooktown bird. Also the upperparts are typically darker due to narrower 
pale fringes of mantle feathers and scapulars. The most important field mark 
are the under tail coverts which are densely barred with the dark proportion of 
ore than 50% leading to the impression of dark brown undertail coverts with 
very narrow white barring (and not white undertail coverts with some brown 
spotches and bars as in the Cooktown bird). This pattern is somewhat 
reminiscent on that of a juvenile Pomarine Skua! Similar 'rules' apply for the 
upper tail coverts. The tail of a first-cycle American HG should typically be 
totally dark brownish black, but there are many birds
 with barring at the bases of the outer three rectrices. Another interesting 
fact is that typicalley American Herring Gulls still have juv. mantle feathers 
and scaps in February.

Cheers,

Nikolas

P.S. Two friends of mine (Martin Gottschling and Andreas Buchheim) and I just 
had a paper (unfortunately in German) accepted for publication in Limicola. I 
spent the last five years in the US and documented a lot of American Herring 
Gulls of various populations, whereas my friends did the same in Europe with 
European Herring Gulls. 


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Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW


----- Original Message ----
From: Lisa Hug <>
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Cc: Chris Corben <>; 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:18:29 AM
Subject: Cooktown Gull discussion

Hi Australian Birders,

Chris Corben has been sending me photos and correspondences about the Cooktown 
Gull.  

I have been following it with great interest.

I really think that the Herring Gull and American Herring Gull complex may
have been dismissed too easily on the basis of primary pattern and tial
covert patterns.

Even though there are pale inner webs to the outer primaries - even out to
9,  there is still a pronounced difference in the amount of pale webbing
form the inner primaries and the outer primaries.  There is a sharp boundary
between P4 and P5, giving it a nice windowed appearance.  In the flight
photo on Tony's web page, the pale webs to the inner primaries are barely
detectable as they are concealed behind other primaries.  The shot the Keith
and Lindsay got with it's wings spread on the post, showed extensive paleness 
in the primaries because the wings
were very stretched - exposing the webs right out to P9.  I believe if one
takes a Herring Gull's wing and stretches it as far as they can, they will
find all of the inner webs are pale - just less extensively on P5-10 than
P1-4.  I believe the same is true with the secondary pattern as well.

I am also not convinced that the tail covert patterns eliminates Herring
Gulls.  Olssen and Larssen describe Mongolian Gull as having a white rump
and tail-coverts, sometimes with dark spots, especially along the sides.

Herring Gulls have variable amounts of black and white on the tail coverts
and rump.

The Cooktown bird's rump and uppertail coverts appear to be splotched half
and half pale and dark.  

It's hard getting around that dark tail.  There are definitely flecks of
white in the basal third of the rectrices.  But, I would not call that barred.

The tail pattern fits American Herring Gull (Smith) extremely well.  In fact, 
the darkness of the tail is a blessing because it makes the bird less likely to 
be in the the Larus argentatus comples and more likely to be a Larus 
smithsonianus.  I do not know about the variation in the tail patterns of 
European Herring Gull, but I know the Cooktown bird fits a Smithsonian pattern 
very well.

Other features that fit well.

Howell and Dunn's book describe the tail as ending between the 6th and 7th
primary of the closed wing on Smithsonian.  That is the case with the Cooktown
bird.  I do not know, however, where the end of the tail would fall on a
Mongolian Gull.

The Cooktown bird has very dark tertails. This fits better with Smith than
Mongolian.

I was in the field yesterday and found a nice first cycle American Herring Gull 
on a central California Beach.

I was with a very good photographer Ruth Dundas and she got the attached photos.

Notice that there are pale webs to the outer primaries and secondaries.  The 
tail is also very dark with some pale flecking at the base.  


Sincerely,

Lisa Hug









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