One would hope that when the new book comes out the online updates will
start again in some form.
Ibis, who published the 5th Edition, are now out of business, and Cornell
will publish the 6th Edition.
See http://www.ibispub.com/index.html
And http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/cup_detail.taf?ti_id=4566
Tim Murphy
-----Original Message-----
From:
Behalf Of Dave Torr
Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2007 8:53 AM
Cc:
Subject: Birds of the world - Recommended english
names
I too use Clements for a world list - unfortunately it means my world list
(for Australia maintained using Clements) is different from my Aussie list
(using C&B and Birds Aus lists). (And I am NOT trying to argue which
taxonomy is "superior"!)
It used to be fairly easy to keep up with Clements as when I bought the old
book I was promised two online updates a year, which worked well for some
years (at the expense of a lot of time figuring out what it all meant!).
Alas - with his death and the coming of the new book that promise has been
forgotten so no easy way to keep up to date any more.
On 05/05/07, Tim Murphy <> wrote:
>
> I doubt that it will catch on at all. There are already a number of lists
> and I, and a number of others use Clements for World Birds and see no
> especial need to make the effort to follow them. (We have a tough enough
> time keeping up with the lumps and splits as it is. I have studied
> taxonomy
> a bit and see no need to slavishly follow every new book that comes out.
>
> Clements actually died last year but a new edition is coming out. See
> http://www.amazon.com/Clements-Checklist-Birds-World/dp/0801445019
>
> For a country list there are local names which are well established and I
> would expect to use these for local lists.
>
> If the new Christidis and Boles appears in my (or my children's!) lifetime
> I
> will have to study it and see what the basis of any decision they make is.
>
> Tim Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Behalf Of Peter Ewin
> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2007 5:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Birds of the world - Recommended english
> names
>
>
> Always an interesting process when someone comes up with lists.
> The rules should always be consistent (ie standard use of hyphens and
> capital letters) so you don't end up with:
> Australian Brushturkey
> Plumed Whistling Duck
> Beach Stone-curlew
> Brown Cuckoo-Dove
> They list "rules" and then intepret them to meet accepted norms.
> They have also been inconsistent within a genus (such as revealed by the
> recent discussion on Stone-curlew v Thick-knee) which just seems crazy.
>
> Scientific names are still the key to this sort of process and people will
> always argue over this sort of thing. On my quick look through the website
> I
> couldn't see what was the basis for the taxonomy they used (but more
> recent
> than 2003 Howard and Moore Checklist as the Kiwi taxonomy shows).
>
> I will be very interested to see if this is what the new Christidis and
> Boles will use. The project is supposed to be for the whole world and not
> just England. I think names used locally should have been considered
> strongly. Murray Bruce and Dick Schodde were the names from Australia on
> the
> website.
>
> As I say interesting but not certain how well it will catch on (I am
> certain
> the American's will want all "their" birds to be called Gray instead of
> Grey)
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> >From:
> >To:
> >Subject: [Birding-Aus] Birds of the world - Recommended english names
> >Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:45:49 +0800 (WST)
> >
> >G'day all
> >
> >The International Ornithological Congress has just updated its list of
> >Recommended English Names.
> >
> >It's available as a download (Excel spreadsheet).
> >
> >Though some of you might be interested.
> >
> >http://www.worldbirdnames.org
> >
> >Cheers
> >Steve
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