bats - the answers

To: "Peter Ewin" <>, <>
Subject: bats - the answers
From: "Scott O'Keeffe" <>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:38:24 +1000

A couple of years ago, fruit growers affected by flying foxes were polled
about control methods.  A majority believed that shooting was an ineffective
method of control, and expensive, while netting was believed by the majority
to be the most effective method of control.  I wonder why fruit growers are
advocating a control method which is, by their own admission, ineffective?

Scott O'Keeffe

-----Original Message-----
 Behalf Of Peter Ewin
Sent: 16 March 2001 16:19
Subject: bats - the answers

A very similar situation is also happening in NSW. There is a proposal
before the Scientific Committee to have GHFF listed as Vunerable
(asindicated by Peter Menkhorst). I think this is the second time the
species has been considered by the panel, and is currently at the public
consultation stage. One of the big problems here is pressure from farming
goups because of the damage to fruit crops, particularly stone fruits, and I
believe licences may still be issued to shoot them (not certain on this
one). Anyway, I believe this would be considered by many as a controversial
decision if it does get listed.
The large colony in the Royal Botanic Gardens (which fed Powerful Owl last
year for a while) is in a similar situation to the one in Melbourne I think
with some plans on moving them. Is this the case Alan Leishman?

>Subject: Re: [BIRDING-AUS] bats - the answers
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:59:48 +1100
>Dear all
>Special thanks to Peter Woodall for providing Les Hall's
>comments and to Andrew Taylor and Peter Menkhorst for their
>contributions. Many do not realise that Grey-headed Flying Foxes
>are indigenous to the Melbourne area and it is important to hear
>that they are from someone as authoritative as Peter.
>The topic is relevant to birds because of the concerns about the
>processes for listing endangered species and communities.
>Yesterday during the lunch break (of the Test Match!) ABC
>Melbourne radio had an interview with the chair of the
>Scientific Advisory Committee which recommended listing
>(Virginia Studdert?).  It seems the panel was split and the
>recommendation was therefore made on the basis that the status
>of the animal was "insufficiently known".
>The Victorian Minister was reported to have taken the line,
>whilst rejecting the advice, that a national approach to
>managing flying foxes is needed.  Various animal welfare groups
>are pursuing that possibility whilst planning to disrupt the
>gassing of the bats.
>I hope they will also enquire about the possibility of judicial
>review, a method of protecting the community from the
>unjustified use of discretion by ministers and officials. The
>Minister's decision could be an unfortunate precedent for not
>listing other species where the status is insufficiently known.
>Michael Norris
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